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OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by yoyohello13 »

skybrian wrote: post #35
cube00 wrote: post #28

If the redlines are the same how'd this deal get struck? ChatGPT maker OpenAI has the same redlines as Anthropic when it comes to working with the Pentagon, an OpenAI spokesperson confirmed to CNN. https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/27/tech/openai-has-same-redl...

You're expecting logic from the Trump administration and that's not really how they do things. Maybe it was never about the redlines? Maybe they decided Anthropic was their enemy, and that was their excuse.

Anthropic was too public about being “good”. And if there is one thing the Trump admin cannot abide it’s morality.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by mrcwinn »

corford wrote: post #43

If you're unhappy with this, an immediate way to signal it is with your wallet. In my case I've just uninstalled chatgpt from my phone, cancelled my subscription and will up my spend with anthropic.

I canceled my subscription, wiped my history, closed my account, deleted the app. Using Claude Max.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by yoyohello13 »

eclipticplane wrote: post #29
yoyohello13 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure a big donor just used the US gov as a bludgeon to destroy their competition

Is the big donor among us?

Now that OpenAI is going to be used for mass domestic surveillance you can assume Sam Altman is always in the room.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by cwyers »

There's a lot of people in this thread that assume that Sam Altman is the one who is being dishonest here, and I kind of understand, but the other two parties who could just as easily be lying are Pete Hegseth and Donald Trump, and of the three of them if you think sama is the _most_ likely to lie I feel like you have not been paying attention.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by CamperBob2 »

eclipticplane wrote: post #29
yoyohello13 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure a big donor just used the US gov as a bludgeon to destroy their competition

Is the big donor among us?

As I understand it, Sam's cofounder at OpenAI donated $25 million to the Trump 2024 campaign.

As Trump himself likes to say, "Promises made, promises kept."

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by chamomeal »

harmonic18374 wrote: post #46
vineyardmike wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. It's possible that the agreement still supports the required terms. There is more to this story behind the scenes. The government wanted to show power and control over our companies and industries. They didn’t need those terms for any specific utility, they wanted to fight “woke” business that stood up to them. Supposedly OpenAI had the same terms as Anthropic (according to SamA). Maybe they offered it cheaper a…

I prescribe literally zero truth value to what Sam says. He will say whatever he needs to get ahead. It is honestly irritating to me that you and many others here seem to implicitly assume his messages are correlated with truth, doing his social engineering work for him, as if his word should adjust your priors even slightly. I don't necessarily think he's lying, but there's so much obvious incentive for him to lie h…

Your comment reminded me that a blog post. It’s by the same guy that wrote “programming sucks”. I’ve been sharing it a lot recently lol

https://www.stilldrinking.org/stop-talking-to-technology-exe...

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by operator_nil »

Robdel12 wrote: post #44

Raise your hand if you actually read it or if you read the title and replied? I see a lot of comments that sure seem like they didn’t read it. > Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our…

Do you know who isn't a dummy? Sam. The crucial part of that statement is that the DoD will use OpenAI systems "lawfully and responsibly," which I don't doubt is written somewhere in their contract. However, those terms are so open-ended that it's impossible for OpenAI to enforce. Sam could have clarified in his tweet that they explicitly prohibited the use of their technology for mass surveillance and autonomous killings, but he deliberately chose not to and to simply say, "We told them not to do bad things." which smells like bullshit

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by mrcwinn »

So nice of him! I am sure he believes they should offer these terms to all competitors.

HN: if you continue to subscribe to OpenAI, if you use it at your startup, you’re no better than the tech bros you often criticize. This is not surprising but beyond shady.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by foobarqux »

push0ret wrote: post #6

So they agreed to the same red lines that had earlier led to the fallout with Anthropic? Kind of strange.

No, the difference is that the government agrees to no "unlawful" use as determined by the government.

Anthropic said that mass surveillance was per se prohibited even if the government self-certified that it was lawful.

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