What's with the recent push for age verification? This has been around forever but it seems like just recently a bunch of governments are pushing for this.
Open source calculator firmware DB48X forbids CA/CO use due to age verification
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Re: Open source calculator firmware DB48X forbids CA/CO use due to age verification
#72What's with the recent push for age verification? This has been around forever but it seems like just recently a bunch of governments are pushing for this.
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Re: Open source calculator firmware DB48X forbids CA/CO use due to age verification
#73Does it run applications? The point of the law is to collect (and device setup) the age of the (I guess primary?) user, and communicate that (as a range?) to any applications it runs. So, if you don't run applications, does this matter? Also, enforcement is by the CA attorney general, so random people can't go after you.
Well, it’s a programmable calculator, so…how does the law define “applications”?
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#74Ignoring the calculator side of things (fair enough if they don't wanna implement it) is this just requiring an age value for the user of the operating system? Because if so, that seems a lot more sensible than the online crap where you need to give ID or something. I remember someone suggesting requiring an `X-User-Age` header, and having adults responsible for having their children's account setup with their age, w…
It’s the camels nose into the tent of regulating how an OS should behave. This is anathema for FOSS operating systems. It will cause complete madness if different jurisdictions start regulating operating systems in their own way and could honestly kill FOSS OSes.
IMO it's more likely to lead to a renaissance in FOSS OS use. Not requiring a legal entity and being geographically diffuse makes them immune to this kind of pressure in a way that Apple and Microsoft are not.
Re: Open source calculator firmware DB48X forbids CA/CO use due to age verification
#75If I'm reading the (L)GPL correctly (but I'm not a lawyer), this notice should be completely ignored:
Section 7 says: All other non-permissive additional terms are considered “further restrictions” within the meaning of section 10. If the Program as you received it, or any part of it, contains a notice stating that it is governed by this License along with a term that is a further restriction, you may remove that term.
Section 10 says: You may not impose any further restrictions on the exercise of the rights granted or affirmed under this License.
Re: Open source calculator firmware DB48X forbids CA/CO use due to age verification
#76If I'm reading the (L)GPL correctly (but I'm not a lawyer), this notice should be completely ignored: Section 7 says: All other non-permissive additional terms are considered “further restrictions” within the meaning of section 10. If the Program as you received it, or any part of it, contains a notice stating that it is governed by this License along with a term that is a further restriction, you may remove that ter…
The copyright holder isn't bound by their own license though.
Although, if there are many contributors to the project, there may not be a clear copyright holder.
Re: Open source calculator firmware DB48X forbids CA/CO use due to age verification
#77If I'm reading the (L)GPL correctly (but I'm not a lawyer), this notice should be completely ignored: Section 7 says: All other non-permissive additional terms are considered “further restrictions” within the meaning of section 10. If the Program as you received it, or any part of it, contains a notice stating that it is governed by this License along with a term that is a further restriction, you may remove that ter…
The copyright holder isn't bound by their own license though. Although, if there are many contributors to the project, there may not be a clear copyright holder.
Wouldn't they still need to switch to a license outside the GPL family in order to add those restrictions, even if they're the sole copyright holder? Otherwise it seems that upon receiving a copy of the software, the user can just remove the additional restrictions, as specified by Section 7.
Re: Open source calculator firmware DB48X forbids CA/CO use due to age verification
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
The law is irrelevant when it comes to open source. There is no one to turn to and bully for compliance. A government could presumably request that GitHub delete the repo, but the software will then simply move somewhere else, in a jurisdiction where these laws don't apply, or be distributed peer-to-peer. These attempts at curbing the freedom to write and distribute software are pathetic and will fail.
> simply move somewhere else, in a jurisdiction where these laws don't apply, or be distributed peer-to-peer Each of these options lead software to become less and less discoverable leading to the fact that most people will never use anything that isn't complying with these laws. So the end result still hits the desired effect.
Eh... Prohibiting access to MSN Messenger on school computers was one of the catalysts to me being a highly paid professional today.
Tell children they can't do X, some will find ways around it, tell their friends the workaround and maybe even get a profession out of it. Who knows, maybe one kid will find a text editor and a compiler laying around somewhere...
Fuck, I even tried to learn Russian by myself just to understand those old hacking forums. At least I got proficient in Cyrillic. I don't have children, but definitely I'd direct them to learn reading Chinese.
Re: Open source calculator firmware DB48X forbids CA/CO use due to age verification
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Also, where does anything in the CA bill mandate age verification? It's saying the OS needs to prompt for age bracket info and allow the third party apps to query that. That is far different from verification. Regardless of the technical details of the law(s), the devs are sensibly refusing to prompt for age on a fricking calculator . Hopefully Linux distros get on board with this and announce non-CA/CO compliance…
For Linux it will be way more problematic because: - A lot of of corporate contributions comes from SV. - Linux Foundation is incorporated in CA. - Linus himself is CA's resident AFAIR. So there is zero chance of claiming no jurisdiction. The only hope is whoever is enforcing this batshit wouldn't go after what is essentially not an OS for the purpose of the bill, but rather an internal component (it would be like go…
"Linux" is just the source code to the kernel, pure free speech, and it can't run by itself in order to ask anybody anything. Underage programmers will benefit from the education of reading it.
Re: Open source calculator firmware DB48X forbids CA/CO use due to age verification
#80What's with the recent push for age verification? This has been around forever but it seems like just recently a bunch of governments are pushing for this.
It's a cloak for digital ID disguised as child safety.
There are many way to make the internet safe for kids without removing anonymity. But the they wouldn't get what they want, would they?