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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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#811

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It’s the mob. This is nothing more than, “Nice AI ya got here. Be a shame if sometin’ wuz to happen to it.”

Except that it’s sovereign.

What's sovereign - the mob? The AI company? Being enigmatic for cool points isn't conducive to productive discussion.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

#812

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> it cannot allow private companies to control the use of military equipment. The big difference here is that Claude is not military equipment. It's a public, general purpose model. The terms of use/service were part of the contract with the DoD. The DoD is trying to forcibly alter the deal, and Anthropic is 100% in the clear to say "no, a contract is a contract, suck it up buttercup." We aren't talking about Lockhee…

So what your saying is it should be removed from the military supply chain?

No, he's saying if this was such a big deal why did they sign up in the first place?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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It's fascinating to me that this decision was set for 5 pm ET on a friday, and I think it may be more responsible to set big deadlines like this for a time while the stock market is open. I imagine this will negatively impact confidence in the US economy at large, and stock markets will reflect that. But since the market is closed, we'll have to wait till Monday, with the tension/anticipation of a drop building. If the deadline had been set for say, midday thursday, the market would have responded immediately, but at least you wouldn't have the building anxiety over the weekend. Of course the result wasn't known ahead of time, and I imagine some people will argue that the weekend will give investors time to cool off instead of following their gut reaction. But personally I don't find those arguments very convincing.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Help me understand the line Anthropic is drawing in the sand? Don't get me wrong i'm glad they are unwilling to do certain things... but to me it also seems a little ironic that Anthropic literally is partnered with Palantir which already mass surveills the US. Claude was used in the operation in Venezuala. Their line not to cross seems absurdly thin? Or there is something mega scary thats already much worse they wer…

I don't understand the line as well. So its no to domestic surveillance, but all other countries are a fair game? How is this an ethical stand? What sort of mental gymnastics allow Anthropic to classify this as an ethical stance? To me all of this reads like "we don't trust our models enough yet to not cause domestic havoc, all other is fine, and we don't trust our models enough yet to not vibe-kill people". Key word…

"vibe-kill" made me laugh then feel sick

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

#815

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Trump doesn't want another election to happen. He needs some powerful tools to ensure that happens, ie, massive scale ai surveillance and manipulation. Eg, like Xi uses in China. I bet anyone here he starts a war as his excuse

That's not enough. In the US, being at war doesn't cancel elections. (I mean, he may start a war, but he would need something in addition.)

> he would need something in addition

Specifically, he would need the US Congress to draft and pass legislation moving the date of the election. I don't know how eager they are, though, to create an unnecessary constitutional crisis.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

#816

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I don't believe they can change the name to Department of War without an actor Congress. It remains the DoD.

Or all the stupid shit this regime has done, this is the most sane. They want the department to fight wars. At least they’re being honest.

Except they don’t, because fighting a war requires congressional approval.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

#817

"Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic." This is authoritarian behavior. You're having trouble negotiating a contract, so instead of just canceling it - you basically ban all of F500 from doing business with that firm.

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Is Anthropic required to sell to the government even if doesn't want to, and is willing to give up its government contracts rather than change its terms of use?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

#818

Ukrainians and Russians are experimenting with FPV drones using AI for target acquisition and homing. Not yet economically viable because it is cheaper to give your FPV fiber spool instead of Nvidia Jetson to bypass jamming. When we have first politician blown to bits by autonomous AI FPV there will be sheer panic of every politician in the world to put the genie back into the bottle. It will be too late at that poin…

If one of our main adversaries is building these weapons already, this is actually an argument for developing this technology ourselves.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Once again we have the US actually doing what the says China might do in the future.

It's true that Chinese companies are extensions of the state. But they serve the state. And the state has thus far served the citizenry eg raising 800M people out of extreme poverty. China's HSR network of 32,000 miles of track was built in 20 years for ~$900B. That's less than the annual US military budget.

You can look at the relationship between the US government and US companies in one of two ways:

1. US companies serve the government but the government doesn't serve the people. After all, where's our infrastructure, healthcare, housing and education? or

2. The US government serves US corporate interests to enrich the ultra-wealthy.

Either way a handful of people are getting incredibly wealthy and all it takes is for a little corruption. Political donations, jobs after government, positions on boards and so on.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

#820

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It's also a very clear differentiator for them relative to Google, Facebook, and OpenAI, all of whom are clearly varying degrees of willing to sell themselves out for evil purposes.

Is making effective weapons evil?

Depends what the customers of anthropic and OpenAI think.
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