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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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It's also a very clear differentiator for them relative to Google, Facebook, and OpenAI, all of whom are clearly varying degrees of willing to sell themselves out for evil purposes.

It will also cost openai dearly if they don't communicate clearly, because I for one will internally push to switch from openai (we are on azure actually) to anthropic. Besides that my private account also.

This will not cost OpenAI anything.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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The real question we should be asking is what others HAVE agreed to. Has OpenAI just agreed to let the government go crazy with their models?

Can someone in plain terms explain what this is really about? Anyone can use Claude afaik?

They want Claude to process tasks like "identify the terrorists in this photo" and "steer this drone towards the terrorists" — Anthropic refused.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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This could kill Anthropic. The designation says any contractor, supplier, or partner doing business with the US military can’t conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. Well, AWS has JWCC. Microsoft has Azure Government. Google has DoD contracts. If that language is enforced broadly, then Claude gets kicked off Bedrock, Vertex, and potentially Azure… which is where all the enterprise revenue lives. Claude canno…

This will likely go to court, again as Dario has stated this is blatant retaliation as no US company has ever been designated a supply chain risk and they continue to operate on classified systems for 6 more months.

Yea strong odds this goes to court, the DoD’s clearly inconsistent logic is ridiculed by a judge, the designation is dropped, and everyone quietly goes about their way with the DoD continuing to use Claude according to the existing terms of the contract.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Help me understand the line Anthropic is drawing in the sand?

Don't get me wrong i'm glad they are unwilling to do certain things...

but to me it also seems a little ironic that Anthropic literally is partnered with Palantir which already mass surveills the US. Claude was used in the operation in Venezuala.

Their line not to cross seems absurdly thin?

Or there is something mega scary thats already much worse they were asked to do which we dont know about I guess.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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We can actually get a glimpse of how AI might wipe out humanity here.

Model collapse making models identify everyone as a potential threat who needs to be eliminated.

Companies should have a right to refuse such requests on moral grounds though.

This stance is vindictive. Just don't use Claude in the military. Extending it to all government agencies is not right. They do great work. Can't deny that.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone in plain terms explain what this is really about? Anyone can use Claude afaik?

From the public comments over the last few days, my guess is they want a militarized version of Claude. Starting with a box they want to put in the basement of the Pentagon where Antropic can't just switch off the ai. Then some guardrails are probably quite bothersome for the military and they want them removed. Concretely if you try to vibe-target your ICBMs Claude is hopefully telling you that that's a bad idea. No…

> Starting with a box they want to put in the basement of the Pentagon where Antropic can't just switch off the ai.

They already have that. By definition. If Anthropic has done the work to be able to run on classified networks, then it's already running air-gapped and is not under Anthropic's control.

The thing is, just because you're in a SCIF doesn't (1) mean you can just break laws and (2) Anthropic don't have to support "off-label" applications.

So this is not about what they have and what it can do today - it's about strong-arming anthropic into supporting a bunch of new applications Anthropic don't want to support (and in turn, which Anthropic or it's engineers could then be held legally liable for when a problem happens).

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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There is clearly a need to codify into all of these historical acts that they can't be invoked unless there is a declaration of war (or some other appropriate prerequisite). This administration consistently exploits what were designed to be emergency powers because no such requirement exists. Leave no room for interpretation.

The current administration scoffs at laws. Nothing stopping them in that case from declaring war on Nauru and doing all the same. The solution is a sane, informed electorate, which is much more difficult in this age where a few disgustingly rich people have so much influence over news and media.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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"They have threatened to remove us from their systems if we maintain these safeguards; they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries, never before applied to an American company—and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the safeguards’ removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels us a security risk; the other labels Claude as…

It's scary to me that there are a significant voting-bloc out there who don't see this kind of zero-integrity (and self-serving) behavior as disqualifying in anyone wielding authority.

Worse, they act like it's virtuous.

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