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No one is stopping you from vibe-coding a POSIX-compatible mobile OS.
Not parent commenter but this is bound to happen. And I highly doubt iOS and Android are free from LLM assisted code at this point.
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It's fine for a project to have moral/ideological leanings, it's only weird if you insist that project teams should be entirely amoral.
> It's fine for a project to have moral/ideological leanings As long as they align with the correct (i.e. yours) values, of course. When they adopt the wrong values, it's not fine.
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No one is stopping you from vibe-coding a POSIX-compatible mobile OS.
Not parent commenter but this is bound to happen. And I highly doubt iOS and Android are free from LLM assisted code at this point.
Why every time some person/group of people enact an anti-LLM policy in their project, other people feel the personal need to stress how useful LLMs are and how that project is bound to fail if they don't use it?
Postmarketos clearly exists and works, EVEN if LLMs were absolutely perfect for speeding up development ten folds, is there any absolute moral necessity to use them?
Also isn't this just moving the goalpost that LLM fanatics love to point out?
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Yes, the famously useless PosmarketOS. Why don't you share the list of very useful things you created instead, mono442?
I don't work on open source stuff but I work at a financial institution and genai has been a huge productivity boost. I can easily write 2x - 5x more code than before genai.
The vibecoder paradox, everyone is 10x as productive, no one can show even a 1.2x increase in anything (besides bot generated comments, traffick and other background noise)
Very happy to see PostmarketOS take an uncompromising stance and also providing justification for it.
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I don't work on open source stuff but I work at a financial institution and genai has been a huge productivity boost. I can easily write 2x - 5x more code than before genai.
So do you review all that code as well?
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Not parent commenter but this is bound to happen. And I highly doubt iOS and Android are free from LLM assisted code at this point.
Could AI write a highly specific camera driver or GPU driver, without any documentation at all?
So, autocomplete done by deterministic algorithms in IDEs are okay but autocomplete done by LLM algorithms - no, that's banned? Ok, surely everybody agrees with that, it's policy after all.
How it is possible to distinguish between the two in the vast majority of cases where the hand written code and autocompleted code is byte-by-byte identical?
Are we supposed to record video of us coding to show that we did type letters one by one?
> 2. Recommending generative AI tools to other community members for solving problems in the postmarketOS space.
Is searching for pieces of code considered parts of solving problems?
Then how do we distinguish between finding a a required function by grepping code or by asking LLM to search for it?
Can we ask LLM questions about postmarketOS? Like, "what is the proper way to query kernel for X given Z"?
If a community members asks this question and I already know the answer via LLM, then am I now banned from giving the correct answer?
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Don't get me wrong. I am sick and tired of the vomit-inducing AI bullshit (as opposed to the tremendous help that LLMs provide to experienced devs).
I fail to see how a policy like this is even enforceable let alone productive and sane.
On the other hand, I absolutely see where is this policy coming from. It seems that projects are having a hard time navigating the issue and looking for ways to eliminate the insurmountable amount of incoming slop.
I think we still haven't found a right way to do it.
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Weird stance to take. I can understand "untested AI-genned code is bad, and thus anything that reeks of AI is going to be scrutinized" - especially given that PostmarketOS deals a lot with kernel drivers for hardware. Notoriously low error margins. But they just had to go out of their way and make it ideological rather than pragmatic.
as a kernel developer, I use LLMs for some tasks, but can say it is not there yet to write real kernel space code
But at the same time I cannot imagine reverting to code with no help of LLMs. Asking stackoverflow and waiting for hours to get my question closed down instead of asking LLM? No way.