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Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

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Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

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post #8

We already forgotten about this already? [0] Where was the open letter then? Both companies (Google, OpenAI [0]) have defense contracts. At this point, the best course of action is to leave Google and OpenAI if you disagree with that (they won't). [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/17/openai-mi...

I say stay, and do a subtlety bad job there.

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

#22
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

every change starts with a few people, and then it grows

> every change starts with a few people, and then it grows your opinion is defense contracts are bad my opinion is defense contracts are good who is correct? probably me since 99.9% of Googlers won’t leave over this

Why is there any controversy about defending one's nation being "good" or "bad"?

I can not believe what I am reading here, and how the single comment supporting defending one's country is so heavily downvoted. Qatar has poisoned Western online communities such that all defence of the United States is considered taboo? I don't even live in the US and I am frightened by what I see here.

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

#23

Google employees must think this is pre 2024. The employer has the power and doesn’t mind laying off people who don’t tow the company line and all of the CEOs bend over and bribe the President - ie “settling” frivolous lawsuits brought by Trump himself over “censorship” when he was out of office

I think a lot of software companies are going to learn just how much employee power remains tomorrow, in the very likely event that the Pentagon issues an order purporting to ban all defense contractors from using Claude.

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

#24
post #8

We already forgotten about this already? [0] Where was the open letter then? Both companies (Google, OpenAI [0]) have defense contracts. At this point, the best course of action is to leave Google and OpenAI if you disagree with that (they won't). [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/17/openai-mi...

I say stay, and do a subtlety bad job there.

Sabotage? You are openly advocating the internal sabotage of US defense capability?

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> every change starts with a few people, and then it grows your opinion is defense contracts are bad my opinion is defense contracts are good who is correct? probably me since 99.9% of Googlers won’t leave over this

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There's lots of money for everyone on the way down

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

#26
I understand the vision, but how does this work on a global scale. e.g. American employees refuse to build this, but China's don't.

Edit: I originally ended with "What would have happened if Germany had a nuclear bomb and America didn't?", but I think it distracted from the point I was trying to make so moving this to an edit. I'm not trying to ask "is the US the bad guy". I'm trying to ask how to balance personal anti war sentiments with the realities of the world (specifically in this case keeping up in an arms race).

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

#27
post #10

I remember they successfully got Google out of a military contract in the first admin (and briefly vilified by the right for that). that's not going to work now. Workers have a lot less power and the CEO is buddies with Trump

As the article says, the workers didn't petition the CEO, they petitioned the head of Google AI who's already expressed solidarity with Anthropic. If they can convince Jeff Dean, I don't think Sundar necessarily gets a say; it's a lot easier to stick your head in the sand and ignore things than to fire one of your most widely respected engineers because he won't help the Pentagon build Terminator robots.

My one concern in this whole thing is that if these slightly less benevolent, but still have some morality, companies don't engage, we'll be left with companies like OAI and xAI engaging and you just know that's not going to make things better for anyone.

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> every change starts with a few people, and then it grows your opinion is defense contracts are bad my opinion is defense contracts are good who is correct? probably me since 99.9% of Googlers won’t leave over this

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> if all your friends were jumping off of a bridge would you do it too?

Probably.

https://xkcd.com/1170/

Although in the context of the parent comment, majority of Googlers probably aren't working on things directly related to controversial topics, instead they are probably working on mundane and non-external facing projects like "how do I migrate my libraries from this deprecated dependency to this other shiny new thing".

Re: Google workers seek 'red lines' on military A.I., echoing Anthropic

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> every change starts with a few people, and then it grows your opinion is defense contracts are bad my opinion is defense contracts are good who is correct? probably me since 99.9% of Googlers won’t leave over this

Why is there any controversy about defending one's nation being "good" or "bad"? I can not believe what I am reading here, and how the single comment supporting defending one's country is so heavily downvoted. Qatar has poisoned Western online communities such that all defence of the United States is considered taboo? I don't even live in the US and I am frightened by what I see here.

Oh I believe it’s important to defend the country, but not because it’s a popular opinion. I dislike any statement that believes truth is based on consensus.
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