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Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by mcny »

hackyhacky wrote: post #133
electrosphere wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me of the Star Wars content thats come out recently - before there was the Original Trilogy which we all watched many times and the lines became iconic. Since then it's all become a mismash and blur of mediocrity due to over-exposure. (except The Mandalorian, and I can't believe I'm using the word "content" :/) edit: Totally forgot about Andor & Rogue One sorry, great film and two seasons of top-notch stor…

> except The Mandalorian, To each their own, but I think Andor is, by far, the best post-ROTJ output.

> To each their own,

And that is the gist of the problem, isn't it? As we approach our forties and beyond, chances are we have lived more than half our lives. So do I really want to spend hours watching something I might hate and might leave a bad taste in my mouth? (See game of thrones season 8 or worse, Westworld the HBO series which I don't even want to know what happened in season 3 or 4). I am sure there are people who will enjoy those but for the average person it is highly unlikely.

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by Papazsazsa »

Bratmon wrote: post #228
zug_zug wrote: post #102

I'm sure this has been written about but here's what happens long term - images are commoditized and lose their emotional appeal. Probably about half of us here remember photos before the cell phone era. They were rare, and special, and you'd have a few photos per YEAR to look back on. The feel of photos back then, was at least 100x stronger than now. They were a special item, could be given as a gift. But once they…

You're presenting this as an argument against AI, but really it's an argument against all human endeavor. https://xkcd.com/915/

You're presenting this as an argument against snobbery, but really it's an argument against all humanity.

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by hypeatei »

jacquesm wrote: post #209
hypeatei wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll just be extremely candid: a lot of people don't give a shit about these art pieces or art in general. It's okay if you do, there is nothing wrong with that, but it's a myopic view that the world would be worse off if we didn't have a portrait of Mona Lisa.

Yes, who gives a shit about culture, after all humanity doesn't really need it...

That's not the point, but okay. I'm simply pointing out the fact that there'd still be art, just not those pieces created by those specific people and the world would be just fine. Humanity would've fared okay if Nano Banana was created 500 years ago.

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by mrandish »

zug_zug wrote: post #102

I'm sure this has been written about but here's what happens long term - images are commoditized and lose their emotional appeal. Probably about half of us here remember photos before the cell phone era. They were rare, and special, and you'd have a few photos per YEAR to look back on. The feel of photos back then, was at least 100x stronger than now. They were a special item, could be given as a gift. But once they…

> They were rare, and special, and you'd have a few photos per YEAR to look back on.

My generation generally only had photos from birthdays, holidays, vacations, weddings, graduations and reunions. We looked at the three albums which contained every family photo often and I know them all by heart.

My kid was born in 2009 and our family digital album has nearly 1,000 photos per year of her life. And she's seen virtually none of them and seems to have little interest in ever seeing them since she creates so many of her own photos every day which are ephemeral.

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by estearum »

nightski wrote: post #156
estearum wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite telling that you think a technology that merely prevents you from passing off an AI-generated image as not-AI-generated makes the model "worthless." Good! That's the point! Whatever amazing use case you had in mind is bad and I'm glad SynthID (apparently) makes it impossible.

Actually no it just makes me use a different model. My uses are not nefarious at all, although it's fine for you to assume so. There are real, legitimate reasons why SynthId is actively harmful that do not involve deceiving or manipulating people at all. SynthId is just a stain on legitimate AI users. People who want to deceive or manipulate are not using Google models anyways. They are going to use a model without s…

> There are real, legitimate reasons why SynthId is actively harmful that do not involve deceiving or manipulating people at all

I am legitimately curious: can you name some?

> Actually no it just makes me use a different model

Yes, this is a very good thing when "a different model" means "a worse model."

> People who want to deceive or manipulate are not using Google models anyways. They are going to use a model without safety rails

That's totally invalid logic. There are plenty of deception and manipulation use cases that don't run afoul of model safety rails at all. Trivially: Creating fake dating profiles to scam people. Fake product images. Fake insurance claims. Fake blackmail (e.g. of a person and another man/woman at a bar).

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by xnx »

thewebguyd wrote: post #211
zug_zug wrote: post #102

I'm sure this has been written about but here's what happens long term - images are commoditized and lose their emotional appeal. Probably about half of us here remember photos before the cell phone era. They were rare, and special, and you'd have a few photos per YEAR to look back on. The feel of photos back then, was at least 100x stronger than now. They were a special item, could be given as a gift. But once they…

I believe this is the reason for a return to interest in analog media with both my generation (millenials) and gen-z. I do wedding photography on the side, and the past ~2 years have seen a huge increase in requests for film photography, either exclusively film or as an add-on to digital. Offering film has been one of the best things I've done for my side hustle. Likewise with the sort of resurgence of vinyl, and the…

> huge increase in requests for film photography

Also for VHS camcorder footage

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by keiferski »

Some random predictions about what AI image generation tools will do/are doing to art:

1. The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important. The most successful artists are ones that craft a story around their life and art, and don't just create stuff and stop. This will become even more important.

2. Originality matters more than ever. By design, these tools can only copy and mix things that already exist. But they aren't alive, they don't live in the world and have experiences, and they can't create something truly new.

3. Those that bother to learn the actual art skills, and not merely prompting, will increasingly be miles ahead of everyone else. People are lazy, and bothering to put in the time to actually learn stuff will stand out more and more. (Ditto for writing essays and other writing people are doing with AI.)

4. Taste continues to be the single most important thing. The vast, vast majority of AI art out there is...not very good. It's not going to get better, because the lack of taste isn't a technical problem.

5. Art with physical materials will become increasingly popular. That is, stuff that can't be digitized very well: sculpture, installation art, etc. Above all, AI art is uncool, which means it has no real future as a leading art form. This uncoolness will push people away from the screen and towards things that are more material.

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Post by Mars008 »

fortzi wrote: post #210
zug_zug wrote: post #102

I'm sure this has been written about but here's what happens long term - images are commoditized and lose their emotional appeal. Probably about half of us here remember photos before the cell phone era. They were rare, and special, and you'd have a few photos per YEAR to look back on. The feel of photos back then, was at least 100x stronger than now. They were a special item, could be given as a gift. But once they…

This. Unimaginable abundance may sound good (it does to me), but scarcity has value too. We might just find put that its value is too important. I just hope that if we do, it’s not too late.

There is something that's not easy to scale: humans. Live concerts, performance, etc. They are local

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by lm28469 »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #170
lm28469 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like there is one or two generations of people who are tech savy and not 100% gullible when it comes to online things. Older and younger generations are both completely lost imho, in a blind test you wouldn't discern a monkey from a human scrolling tiktok &co

How so? This "tech savvy and not 100% gullible" generation, gave birth to a political landscape dominated by online ragebait.

Boomers used to tell us to never trust anything online and now they send their life savings to "Brad Pitt"

New generations gets unlimited brain rot delivered through infinite scroll, don't know what a folder is, think everything is "an app" and keep falling for the "technology will free us from work and cure cancer"

There was a sweet spot during which you could grow alongside the internet at a pace that was still manageable and when companies and scammers weren't trying so hard to robbyou from your time money and attention

Re: Nano Banana 2: Google's latest AI image generation model

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Post by giancarlostoro »

thewebguyd wrote: post #211
zug_zug wrote: post #102

I'm sure this has been written about but here's what happens long term - images are commoditized and lose their emotional appeal. Probably about half of us here remember photos before the cell phone era. They were rare, and special, and you'd have a few photos per YEAR to look back on. The feel of photos back then, was at least 100x stronger than now. They were a special item, could be given as a gift. But once they…

I believe this is the reason for a return to interest in analog media with both my generation (millenials) and gen-z. I do wedding photography on the side, and the past ~2 years have seen a huge increase in requests for film photography, either exclusively film or as an add-on to digital. Offering film has been one of the best things I've done for my side hustle. Likewise with the sort of resurgence of vinyl, and the…

The best weddings I've been to had a photo booth where you can have photos printed out (any number) and texted to you. I think that's the best way to do it. I agree, people like physical photos still. I've bought my wife several different ways to print photos, including a smaller portable printer, and one of those Instant photo cameras.
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