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Re: Banned in California

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Post by parhamn »

beachtaxidriver wrote: post #6

As a resident who likes to breathe clean air and drink clean water, none of that seems all that bad. I guess there should be an ability to do this farther from the population centers though.

I'm not from California but this to me seems like a great case to move to California. Why not ship your externality creating activities elsewhere? Its not like they pay more for the iPhone.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by testbjjl »

akoboldfrying wrote: post #7
wewtyflakes wrote: post #3

So no new car paint shops or oil refineries? I'm okay with that.

Are you okay with not using products that have an oil refinery in their supply chain?

I think if we consolidate those operations the better, and then we can improve an regulate legislative or as a market more easily than if everyone is spread all over.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by jey »

I wonder if there's a law+econ analysis of comparing the current framework (regulations and upfront permitting) vs having the regulations but then enforcement via combination of randomized gov't inspections and private lawsuits. The motivation would be to allow things to move faster while also requiring the same degree of compliance, but without the massive red tape upfront with administrators having no real incentive to approve projects or move fast. One obvious downside is that it effectively creates an economic incentive to try and skirt the law and/or find loopholes, but that arguably exists to the same degree in the existing system.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by reliabilityguy »

parhamn wrote: post #21
beachtaxidriver wrote: post #6

As a resident who likes to breathe clean air and drink clean water, none of that seems all that bad. I guess there should be an ability to do this farther from the population centers though.

I'm not from California but this to me seems like a great case to move to California. Why not ship your externality creating activities elsewhere? Its not like they pay more for the iPhone.

> Why not ship your externality creating activities elsewhere?

Like where?

Re: Banned in California

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Post by garciasn »

bigyabai wrote: post #4

> California has outsourced its industrial base while still consuming the products. America did that. If it was just California then they could import iPhone parts from Alabama, but they don't do that do they?

This site is limiting its focus to environmental permitting concerns, it seems. The problem is that one of the biggest barriers to manufacturing in the US is labor: cost and protections of various sorts.

Don't need to worry about those pesky people and their rights in other countries where people are in desperate need for, or are coerced into, working in these industries.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by crawshaw »

Lot of things could be added to this list. Good luck getting permission to start a hospital, or permission to mine/refine anything with a slightly messy process (e.g. rare earth metals). You can't build a new port. The California Coastal Commission won't let you open a new hotel anywhere on the water. You can't even keep a bar open late in San Francisco.
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