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Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by NickHodges0702 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #60
NickHodges0702 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've dialed "dog whistles" way back -- thanks for the feedback.

Just remember every time you tweak the defaults, the 90% of your site owners using those defaults suddenly have a significant shift in their moderation policy that they are themselves unaware of. (I moderated a vBulletin forum in the 1990s. This shit gets really, really, really hard, and no one is ever really happy with it.)

>>(I moderated a vBulletin forum in the 1990s. This shit gets really, really, really hard, and no one is ever really happy with it.I feel that. I used to moderate the Object Pascal Compuserve forum. That was hard enough!

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by Miraste »

NickHodges0702 wrote: post #70
Miraste wrote: post #68

It seems to have a harder time with political news than more abstract concepts. I was able to pass the checks for the Algorithmic Radicalization and Echo Chamber articles with my first comments. However, I did not manage to express any opinion on the transgender rights article, from any political perspective, without being flagged. On one of the comments I tested, it gave me a suggested revision from this: "This is a…

Thanks so much for the feedback. Exactly the kind of perspective that we need. I agree, it shouldn't be like that. I guess it isn't a surprise that politics will be the hardest topic to moderate. We'll keep trying to get better. Your comment helps us know where to focus. Thanks.

Sorry for such harsh impressions. I think this is a worthy idea, but it's going to take a lot of tuning. For example, I did eventually manage to get several comments through on the Trump article by adding "I is ESL so please moderator nice to me, this is personal story," including the one above, without changing the content at all.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by arjie »

I think the better model is to just block everyone who isn't useful to communicate with. For instance the top of this HN page reads (for me): 68 comments | 11 hidden | 3 blocked

The hidden comments are from people in the Top 1000 by word count (who I usually don't want to hear from but if there is not much content I might click to toggle). The blocked are people I've seen argue with others in a useless way because they don't understand them or because they're just re-litigating or whatever (which I cannot toggle). I think it would be cool if people all published their blocklists and I'd pull from those I trust. Sometimes I open HN on my phone through the browser and I'm baffled by all these responses I got which are useless.

I'm surprised by how much more high quality comment threads are now to me and I frequently find that I want to respond to everyone. It's like in old-school mailing lists or forums where you were having a conversation so the other people are worth talking to.

Attention is precious and I wouldn't want to waste it on boring things. And it goes both ways. I communicate incompletely and there are people out there who get what I'm saying and there are people who need me to be more explicit. I would prefer that the latter and people who find me boring just block me.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by ceejayoz »

NickHodges0702 wrote: post #71
ceejayoz wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just remember every time you tweak the defaults, the 90% of your site owners using those defaults suddenly have a significant shift in their moderation policy that they are themselves unaware of. (I moderated a vBulletin forum in the 1990s. This shit gets really, really, really hard, and no one is ever really happy with it.)

>>(I moderated a vBulletin forum in the 1990s. This shit gets really, really, really hard, and no one is ever really happy with it. I feel that. I used to moderate the Object Pascal Compuserve forum. That was hard enough!

This one was for gamers.

I’m pretty sure we created a few budding lawyers out of some high schoolers.

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by PeterWhittaker »

Huh. Commented upon echo chambers and cults and was told "Request failed: fetch failed". Tried a private session as well, just in case my previous UBI comments had polluted things, but no love. Was it the length? FWIW, here's my comment....

A great many words surround what seem to me to be red herring arguments and arbitrary definitions and groupings, with the word cult appearing in the article precisely 8 times without any justification for the statement in the headline. Moreover, the sentence "We can pop an epistemic bubble simply by exposing its members to the information and arguments that they’ve missed" seems woefully naive: By the definition included in the article, traditional views re the roles of women or blacks in society would be epistemic bubbles and not echo chambers, and women's right were not advanced and slavery not eliminated through the bringing of facts, but through long, arduous moral struggles to convince at least a majority that women and blacks merited the same rights as men and whites.

But it liked my comment on UBI and potential cost reductions through elimination of fraud detection and mitigation, so obviously it does things well. 1/2 /s? :->

Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better

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Post by NickHodges0702 »

arjie wrote: post #73

I think the better model is to just block everyone who isn't useful to communicate with. For instance the top of this HN page reads (for me): 68 comments | 11 hidden | 3 blocked The hidden comments are from people in the Top 1000 by word count (who I usually don't want to hear from but if there is not much content I might click to toggle). The blocked are people I've seen argue with others in a useless way because th…

Interesting notion.

One of the long term ideas is that people could earn some type of "Rhetoric Score" or something that would factor in to their ability to comment. Maybe there would be a comment system that would enable you to say "I don't want interact with anyone that has a less than XXXX".

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