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Re: Nexus: The best of Google, now in three sizes

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Post by shinratdr »

hack_edu wrote: post #398
shinratdr wrote: post #391

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> LTE is not as important as you make it sound. Except you then go on to explain for a couple paragraphs that it doesn't matter BECAUSE . Here is my process for connecting with my LTE phone: I turn it on. Speed is as fast as WiFi all the time. I have a 6GB plan and have never had to worry about hitting it. That's it. I haven't used a free WiFi network outside of work in a year. LTE is way faster. Just like the touchs…

Let's be honest here, speed isn't as fast as WiFi all the time. It's as fast as WiFi, with much higher latency, in the times you're within good range of the proper cell tower. Sorry, but its not the same as WiFi when you're sitting on the can in the windowless bathroom on the 8th floor of a big office building.

True, that one situation has caused me to switch on WiFi. However the rest of my office building and city is blanketed in pretty decent LTE coverage.

Latency is as low as 2ms. I never have latency problems on LTE.

Re: Nexus: The best of Google, now in three sizes

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Post by jordanthoms »

Symmetry wrote: post #403
shimon_e wrote: post #397

FYI, the Nexus 4 is quad core. However, the Nexus 10 is only dual! I've tried switching to a tablet at the beginning of the year but web browsing performance wasn't good enough for me. Hope the dual core downgrade won't make that much of a difference. edit: I was under the impression they both were Samsung Exynos arm processors. Turns out the Nexus 4 is using the Snapdragon S4 Pro and the Nexus 10 is using a A15 Sams…

I was surprised by that too. An A15 ought to be individually faster than the Krait cores in the S4, but not by that much.

They are using the exynos 5 because it's the only SOC out right now that can support a screen with that resolution. The A15 cores should run very well, I suspect it'll be faster than the nexus 4 for most tasks.

Re: Nexus: The best of Google, now in three sizes

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Post by shinratdr »

ChrisClark wrote: post #407
shinratdr wrote: post #391

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> LTE is not as important as you make it sound. Except you then go on to explain for a couple paragraphs that it doesn't matter BECAUSE . Here is my process for connecting with my LTE phone: I turn it on. Speed is as fast as WiFi all the time. I have a 6GB plan and have never had to worry about hitting it. That's it. I haven't used a free WiFi network outside of work in a year. LTE is way faster. Just like the touchs…

As fast as WiFi? I'd hope it is faster. My home internet is 15mbps, this phone does 21, LTE does 70 or something. Do you really need to download a song in 0.5 seconds? Isn't 2 seconds fast enough? With the LTE speed of 70mbps, you could use up your 6GB in 11 minutes.

3G doesn't come close to approaching those speeds in most areas.

It's not about how long it takes to run a download of a media file, you're completely missing the point. It's about the drastically improved latency and responsiveness in downloading complex modern web pages, streaming, and caching stuff.

For example, The Verge homepage is almost as big as a song. If the question becomes do you need to make every page load .5 seconds instead of 2 seconds then "yes" wouldn't seem so ridiculous.

Why would I do that kind of sustained downloading on my phone? That's what the server & home internet connection is for. LTE on the phone isn't for blowing through 6GB In 11 minutes, it's for grabbing the data you need as quickly as possible.

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Post by kevin_p »

gutnor wrote: post #211
wmf wrote: post #25

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Yeah, these prices look almost too good to be true. Other Android vendors may be getting some serious indigestion from this.

Other vendors have already failed, except on the low cost. Samsung rules the phone market, it is everyday closer to become synonym with Android and could be tempted to secede like Amazon. That is not a good situation for either Android or Google - and except Google breaking the price, there is little else that can revive the market a little bit.

They already did in China. My wife bought a Galaxy S2 in January, and it came with Samsung Apps instead of Google Play, no Google Maps, no Gmail or Google Talk etc. Yes, it's a legitimate Samsung product, not some Chinese knockoff.

She's hugely disappointed with it and refuses to buy any more Samsung products. (It doesn't help that she refuses to let me root it and install CyanogenMod, but you don't expect to have to do that if you're paying the equivalent of over $600 US for a phone)

Re: Nexus: The best of Google, now in three sizes

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Post by JVIDEL »

I don't know what's more insane: the N10's 2560 x 1600 screen or how hard is to find a laptop with a measly 1080p screen for twice the price of that tablet.

The N4 is bonkers too. Sure there are other phones with HD screens now, but with a quad Krait? the only other I know is the Mi2, and good luck getting one at launch.

The N7 with cellular is really tempting since with a little hack you could have a tablet+phone hybrid (using a Bt headset). Too bad it still uses the Tegra3, a SoC that couldn't keep up with the dual Krait.

But overall I think Google just brought a gun to knife fight...

Re: Nexus: The best of Google, now in three sizes

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

chenster wrote: post #279
w1ntermute wrote: post #221

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> Why is it we have amazing 16:10 2560-by-1600 in a 10" tablet but commonplace laptops (13-15") rarely surpass 1680x1050 or even worse 1366x768? Because Windows and Windows apps don't support resolution-independent UI scaling. > Sometimes, on high-end models, you can pay an extra $200 to "upgrade" to 1920x1080 Because they know they can rip you off, and because it's a lot more expensive to produce high resolution dis…

> Because Windows and Windows apps don't support resolution-independent UI scaling. I upgraded my HP 17" laptop panel to 1920 x 1200 (bought less than $200 on ebay 2 years ago). That was on Windows 7. I don't notice any visual issues. Just upgraded to Windows 8 and all Windows apps look just fine too. So applications aren't real issues here.

1920 x 1200 is nowhere near 2x resolution. Its more like 1.2 or 1.3.

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Post by harshreality »

grego wrote: post #331
mtgx wrote: post #77

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And with that crazy resolution.

Actually 16Gb storage is not enough considering the pixmaps for games etc. will now eat a lot more space. I hit the same issue with my 16Gb iPad 3. This being Android, I'm a bit disappointed that it does not appear to have a microSD slot. There is also a relatively heavy premium for 16Gb more internal flash.

The rationale for ditching microsd slots is that different volumes (mount points) for the built-in flash and the microsd flash complicates the UI, and creates dissatisfaction when someone runs out of space on one while having plenty of space on the other.

The modern usage pattern seems to be get enough built-in storage for what you want to do, then use wifi or usb to transfer stuff between the device and the cloud or a desktop with a larger collection of media.

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Post by Jach »

chm wrote: post #405

I wonder why they chose not to add a full-size HDMI port. A lot of people have HDMI cables/TVs at home, but I guess most of them do not have micro-HDMI cables. The device doesn't ship with one, either. From the viewpoint of the customer, this feels awkward. I guess the business people and engineers see it otherwise...

http://www.amazon.com/Fosmon-HDMI-Micro-Cable-Feet/dp/B003UH... HDMI size problem solved, I don't think that alone would turn away any customers though it would be an annoyance. At least the Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 have HDMI output, the lack of that is still my biggest complaint about the Nexus 7 and has so far been the deal-breaker keeping me from getting one. (Lack of SD card support is also annoying, but I can live with USB-expanded storage.)

Re: Nexus: The best of Google, now in three sizes

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

martythemaniak wrote: post #306
fr0sty wrote: post #14

And someone finally implements the killer-feature for the "Family Tablet": Multi-Account Support: > But what makes Nexus 10 unique is that it's the first truly shareable tablet. With Android 4.2, you can add multiple users and switch between them instantly right from the lockscreen. We believe that everyone should have quick and easy access to their own stuff -- email, apps, bookmarks, and more. That way, everyone ca…

Shameless Plug: Kytephone ( https://www.kytephone.com/ ) adds a de-facto multi-account support to any Android phone or tablet running 2.2 or above. It's aimed at adding accounts for kids and while it's not as extensive as the baked-in one (kids can't have their own gmail account for example) it does come with goodies such as time limits for games.

>kids can't have their own gmail account for example //

http://support.google.com/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=en&a...

Kids [under 13, dependent on region] "can't" have their own gmail account anyway, it's against the rules.

Re: Nexus: The best of Google, now in three sizes

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Post by onetwothreefour »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #372
onetwothreefour wrote: post #354

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You are utterly delusional my friend. This is laziness.

Wow thanks for that cool analysis. It's not like their feuds with Verizon and Wallet are well known and documented. Surely you're baseless accusations of... what exactly... are right on.

I wasn't accusing anyone of anything. Unless calling you delusional is an accusation.

So let me get this straight. Google's entire reason for not supplying LTE is global availability, and yet, one barely used feature on one carrier is apparently what stopped them from shipping it? Oooookay. Verizon and Wallet have nothing to do this with decision. Zero. Verizon doesn't exist outside the US, just so you know.

For any Android fanboy to not decry the lack of LTE is hypocritical at best. The wholesale cost difference between a HSDPA part and a LTE part is negligible at best. There's zero downside to providing a LTE part because it's also a superset of 3G/HSDPA/etc.

There's maybe a technical reason for not including it, and instead of the BS justification that Google are trying to sell us, I'd love to hear it. It'd be far more believable than the current "you don't really need it" reasoning being thrown about.

So yes, you're delusional. You're attempting to justify why LTE isn't included in a flagship phone in Oct 2012. Good luck with that.

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