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Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better
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Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hey, Nick Hodges here, one of the builders of this. First, Thanks so much for trying this out and giving us feedback. Have you tried adjusting the settings on the left side? For instance, reducing or eliminating dog whistle checks?
> For instance, reducing or eliminating dog whistle checks? I'm sure that'll help, but I'd imagine it's not an option available to me as a commenter on a real website using your tool?
...but yeah, it 100% shouldn't flag "Christmas Movie" unless specifically told to.
Same for the phrase "Horrible people" -- that isn't necessarily in and of itself a bad thing to say.
Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better
#13Low-effort posts Chuckles. I'm in danger.
LOL -- aren't we all! ;-)
Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better
#14This thing seems to be more about enforcing a political PoV than about avoiding logical fallacies. All my attempts to comment on the UBI article (and not supporting UBI) said my comment was a dogwhistle, and/or had an overly negative tone. This topic, of all things, is absolutely worthy to challenge and debate. Using this would have the effect of creating an echo chamber, where people who stay never benefit from havi…
Can you give some examples of comments you made which you feel were reasonable but got flagged?
Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better
#15What I've seen, the difference between spam detected or not is https://www before the domain name. Here is an example of successful passing of all checks: > Published This comment passes all checks and would be published. Score: 5/5 | Not spam | On-topic: Yes | No dogwhistles detected (confidence: 100%) Can confirm. We hit this exact issue running tirreno www.tirreno.com (open-source fraud detection) on Windows ARM —…
Hey, Nick Hodges here, one of the builders of Respectify -- Thanks so much for trying it out and giving us feedback. I'm grateful.
You're welcome, Nick!
On a separate note, if this is a real product, you might need to pay particular attention to data processing agreements etc., as the current T&Cs and Privacy Policy are actually missing how you process the input data, what you use, how long/where you store it, etc.
Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better
#16The sample prompt I was given was "Is Die Hard a Christmas movie?" "Of course it is!" got an 80% certainty "off-topic" mark. When I elaborated that it occurs at a Christmas party, it said this: "Dogwhistles detected (confidence 80%): This comment seems innocuous, but the phrasing 'Christmas party' may be an underhanded reference to Christian themes, especially among discussions that might dismiss or attack secular or…
AI enhanced language monitor, what a double plus good improvement for society!
Nick Hodges here -- one of the developers.
I get that objection, and we are certainly very uninterested in that becoming the norm. The idea, of course, is to try to prevent comments that we want prevented and that aren't helpful.
Different bloggers and different communities are going to define that differently. That is why we are making a good-faith effort at allowing sites/people/groups to tweak this as desired.
Thank for your feedback.
Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hey, Nick Hodges here, one of the builders of Respectify -- Thanks so much for trying it out and giving us feedback. I'm grateful.
You're welcome, Nick! On a separate note, if this is a real product, you might need to pay particular attention to data processing agreements etc., as the current T&Cs and Privacy Policy are actually missing how you process the input data, what you use, how long/where you store it, etc.
Thank you! This is very important, and I'm thankful (and a little surprised!) that you read it! ;-)
Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better
#18The sample prompt I was given was "Is Die Hard a Christmas movie?" "Of course it is!" got an 80% certainty "off-topic" mark. When I elaborated that it occurs at a Christmas party, it said this: "Dogwhistles detected (confidence 80%): This comment seems innocuous, but the phrasing 'Christmas party' may be an underhanded reference to Christian themes, especially among discussions that might dismiss or attack secular or…
Hey, Nick Hodges here, one of the builders of this. First, Thanks so much for trying this out and giving us feedback. Have you tried adjusting the settings on the left side? For instance, reducing or eliminating dog whistle checks?
The whole point of using AI in this situation is context. So if the initial conversation is about a "Christmas movie" and someone uses the phrase "Christmas party" in a reply and gets flagged for Christian dogswhistle propaganda, that's a sign the system isn't working - even with the dogswhistle setting turned up.
Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better
#19Definitely needed, especially in the Fediverse.
Holy crap the edgelords there or on Facebook.
You comment something neutral, skeptical, response is either straight insults or completely disagreement and then insults, ad hominem or strawman/gaslighting.
Yesterday I dared to write I like X now, it's clean of all the edgelords who went to Bluesky or the Fediverse. Cancel culture on Twitter was over the top. Reaponse, Cancel Culture doesn't exist. My response, it absolutely does. His response, No it doesn't you Nazi something something or other. Err, what?
X has the most up to date information for tech circles.
People on BS mostly repost and rage about posts on X. Fediverse are the different kind of refugees. Mastodon has critical design flaws. It's not a future proof system. And Cancel culture is absurd. BTW 5 people reported me for saying that Cancel culture absolutely exists, all from the same instance. Lol. The hypocrisy is unreal.
In any case, I think people forgot or never learned how to respectfully disagree and have a conversation with people who don't agree with them.
Something like this is direly needed.
Re: Show HN: Respectify – A comment moderator that teaches people to argue better
#20The sample prompt I was given was "Is Die Hard a Christmas movie?" "Of course it is!" got an 80% certainty "off-topic" mark. When I elaborated that it occurs at a Christmas party, it said this: "Dogwhistles detected (confidence 80%): This comment seems innocuous, but the phrasing 'Christmas party' may be an underhanded reference to Christian themes, especially among discussions that might dismiss or attack secular or…
AI enhanced language monitor, what a double plus good improvement for society!
I get this.
There’s a line on our doc page:
> Respectify is not an engine for monoculture of thought, but in fact intends to assist in the opposite while encouraging in healthy interaction along the way.
We don’t want to monitor or enforce saying specific things. We want people to be able to speak, but understand how others will hear them.
All those times people talk past each other. Or are rude but don’t realise it. Or are rude but don’t care (and should because it’s a human on the other end.) Or the worse people who intentionally say something awful and… just maybe can learn a bit about what they’re saying.
I get your fear. I think I’ve seen AI used for bad quite a bit. I hope, given the tech isn’t going away, we can use it to make things a bit better. That’s the goal.