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Re: The Misuses of the University

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The fall of Rome also took centuries, historians can't even agree on exactly when it began.

True for the empire, not true for the republic (which still took decades but not centuries)

When would you date the beginning of the current fall though? Late 20th/early 21st century? When would you end date it without longer hindsight? (honest question)

Re: The Misuses of the University

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I miss the Newseum, not least because it had this exhibit: https://www.motorious.com/articles/highlights/don-bolles-car...

Journalists were asking for the bombed car of journalist Jon Bolles to be removed? Murdered while he was defending the public interest against the mafia?

Standards seem to be falling everywhere...

Re: The Misuses of the University

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Johns Hopkins University is not a university. Many other "Universities" are not universities either. "Johns Hopkins Labs" would be a more accurate name as less than 10% of revenue is tuition related. I'm not sure why folks including professors continue to view these places as primarily about teaching students or academics. These $100-$250 million building projects are pretty inconsequential when research grants and c…

Johns Hopkins gets a lot of money from vested interests to push whatever suits them.

s/gets/accepts

Nobody is waterboarding the money down their throat. They can say no. The actual question is: why don't they?

Re: The Misuses of the University

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'advanced culture' is in the eye of the beholder. At the time, Rome was an advanced culture and we have a bunch of details of their fall. Not to take away from your point - I agree and the current fall makes it more tangible.

The fall of Rome also took centuries, historians can't even agree on exactly when it began.

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Re: The Misuses of the University

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> With its 29 cantilevered roof planes and its clerestory glazed windows, it will quickly become the highlight of campus tours. Prospective students will look on with envy. Maybe it will attract more applicants. I got an ad the other day for a school (a mostly reputable one). They were talking about their award winning dining hall food... and the photos are over the top. Borrow a pile of money, to help fund a pretty…

Modern uni has a strong cruise-ship aesthetic.

I live in a college town. There are now commercial bar crawl operators. They make the T shirt, develop an itinerary, coordinate with the bars. It’s a weirdly infantilized form of debauchery. Can’t frat boys be trusted to make bad decisions on the spur of the moment any more?

Re: The Misuses of the University

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It is just part of the establishment. When the establishment withered it withered with it. It’s just a symptom of a larger, deeper problem.

Not just that the establishment, but the entire educational complex, from the large research universities like JHU to the community colleges, were built around a 1950s-1970's American economy and the society that supported that. And now that that is gone, what happens to all of the universities? They've been just as corrupted and degraded as the rest of it. My wife and I were talking last night about how Disneyland l…

Yeah I can see this enshitification occurs everywhere, not just in Disney land. It is sad. But at the same time it gives me some reflection about my choice of entertainment -- like, do I really need those things? Do I really need Netflix/Youtube/etc. that badly? Should I sit down with my kid, before an offline computer and a paper manual, and program in QBASIC together, or run some typing games altogether, just for fun?

Re: The Misuses of the University

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> He remembers when that building came up, back in 2001, replacing a grove of elm, beech, and oak trees on campus. The old arts center hadn’t been cheap: $17 million was real money at the turn of the millennium. They tore down a building less than twenty five years old to build a fancier one with fewer actual teaching spaces. There are many "temporary" Quonset huts around here twice that age. This institution is the…

As the article states, the funds came from an external donor.

It's not how I would choose to use $250M+ of my money, but it appears to have nothing at all to do with federal funding (nor would it even if the building was financed by the school, but especially not in this case).

Re: The Misuses of the University

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Johns Hopkins University is not a university. Many other "Universities" are not universities either. "Johns Hopkins Labs" would be a more accurate name as less than 10% of revenue is tuition related. I'm not sure why folks including professors continue to view these places as primarily about teaching students or academics. These $100-$250 million building projects are pretty inconsequential when research grants and c…

Professors at schools like this do not view these places as about teaching students. Academics, to include performing research in their field and publishing the results, yes, and the students get in the way of that.

Re: The Misuses of the University

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Johns Hopkins gets a lot of money from vested interests to push whatever suits them.

s/gets/accepts Nobody is waterboarding the money down their throat. They can say no. The actual question is: why don't they?

Why would they not accept money to do something they are interested in doing?

What is the downside to the school of a nicer student union or a public policy/international relations campus in the nation's capital?

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