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The Slow Death of the Power User

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Re: The Slow Death of the Power User

#11

I agree with the article fully, but: > These are the same people who would lose their minds if their city government told them they could only buy food from vendors the city had approved, licensed, and taxed But it is exactly like this in the developed world, and not many would buy food from a trunk of a roadside car.

...but you can. And, open your facebook Marketplace (I know, I know) and just type any food you like. You can buy it there, made by people like you. Risky, maybe, but you can.

That's the point.

Re: The Slow Death of the Power User

#13

On one hand, it's a "people problem"... on the other, it's a software problem too. "back in my time", you'd have some c code, one .conf file, you'd "make", edit the config (or hope it works with default settings), run, and you'd have a program running. Now you need five different services running, it comes in a docker, running on some random port, proxied to another random port, the configs are split into 12 yaml fil…

I wonder how much of this complexity is a form of resume driven development. Jobs are webdev with a host of microservices and a datastore and and and... This leads people to building apps in that style instead of a command line tool (or non-electron GUI application) to get the same job done.

Re: The Slow Death of the Power User

#14
> Mobile Platforms Did the Most Damage, and They Did It on Purpose

So true, but this has been going on for quite a while. Phones accelerated it and I have seem many of the concerns come up in IT where I worked.

A couple of examples:

1. My favorite, about 10 to 15 years ago. A user said this finance report always had 2147483647 in the total. This was looked at for weeks by another group.

After a few weeks our manager's manager called a meeting with everyone to look at the issue. Everyone had no idea what to do. When I saw the number it look real familiar to me. I then released it was the max value if an int. I told them the issue was its variable could was too small. A simple change fixed the issue.

Another old programmer who was not at the meeting asked me what happened. I showed him the report and he know instantly what it was too.

2. hex dumps, no one can read them now. About 25 years ago I was looking at a dump to see where a packed numeric value was, people who saw be thought it was magic. I had to explain how that number was read and what the hex represented.

I fear what will happen if AI becomes a real thing.

Re: The Slow Death of the Power User

#16

I agree with the article fully, but: > These are the same people who would lose their minds if their city government told them they could only buy food from vendors the city had approved, licensed, and taxed But it is exactly like this in the developed world, and not many would buy food from a trunk of a roadside car.

...but you can. And, open your facebook Marketplace (I know, I know) and just type any food you like. You can buy it there, made by people like you. Risky, maybe, but you can. That's the point.

It obviously depends on local laws, but it's very commonly illegal to sell prepared food without a license/permit. You might not get caught selling food on FB Marketplace, but that doesn't make it any less allowed.

I agree with the author regarding Apple's walled-garden app distribution, but the analogy just doesn't work here.

Re: The Slow Death of the Power User

#17
Most people, when they turn the tap on, they don't know where the water comes from. Try asking someone "What is the physical principle that makes the water come out of the tap? How do they make it come out?" you might be surprised how many people don't know and most importantly don't care.

The water comes out. The water has always come out, every time, so it's not really a thing worth investigating. Like the sunrise.

In many many domains I am that person.

If a person doesn't know (except in the vaguest terms) where their water comes from, where their poo goes when they flush, where their food comes from (the supermarket!), or the energy that heats their home... what do they really know? Most of us know very little about the concrete networks and systems that keep us alive.

But this is what civilisation is.

Re: The Slow Death of the Power User

#18
> All of this was sold as a feature. “It just works.” Safety. Privacy. User experience. What it actually was, was control — Apple’s control over what you could do with hardware you supposedly bought.

Can't both of these be true?

Apple, Microsoft, and the evil tech companies us nerds love to vilify actually brought computing to the masses. In the early 1980s only tech geeks and corporations used computers—the Apple Macintosh changed that. In the early 1990s, only tech geeks and universities used the internet—Microsoft Windows changed that. In the mid 2000's, only tech geeks and business people used "smart" devices[1]—the iPhone changed that.

At every technological leap, business savvy entrepreneurs saw an opportunity to expand their markets by making their products enticing and useful to millions of more people than the previous generation of products did.

Unfortunately, this also came at the expense of the apparent "dumbing down" of computers, as every new abstraction hid more of the actual computer users had to interface with. And it also made things easy to control and lock down for corporations.

But I don't think we would've seen the explosion in the popularity of computing had this played out any other way.

I also disagree with the article's premise that power users are dying. We're still here, but we're a tiny minority of computer users now. We're both amused and frustrated at the insanity of where technology is taking us, and who is leading us there, but we still have our corners of computing we can retreat to.

And I also disagree that our favorite layer of computing is somehow more "real" than anyone else's. We scoff at Gen Z's inability to use the terminal as much as Baby Boomers scoffed at our inability to program in assembly. It's all relative. Except "AI". That is more of a disabler than an enabler, even though we're too hypnotized to see it now.

[1]: Yes, the BlackBerry was a cultural phenomenon, but it didn't have the capabilities nor mass appeal of the iPhone.

Re: The Slow Death of the Power User

#20
I read the text. It's something I would agree in principle, but the text is exceedingly whiny and in many ways wrong.

Power users, tinkerers, and so on were always extremely niche. By definition they were always only a few. They are still a few, probably in similar numbers as before.

The only thing that changed is that normal people now have access to computing devices. My wife does not want to know what a file system is, or what happens behind the scenes when an app is installed. She has no idea what a DNS is. Why would she? She is a lawyer with little interest in technology. She wants to use Instagram, not self-host a Matrix instance.

The normal users are the majority, and it's more profitable to serve those users than assholes like me who get pissy when they can't sideload an apk.

And I am okay with that.

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