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US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by WarmWash »

gib444 wrote: post #219
WarmWash wrote: post #202

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Apple is the same size as Europe's tech sector...just Apple. Of the top 50 tech companies on Earth, 3 are European and 30 are American.[1] Europe has a seriously lacking tech scene. The situation is borderline catastrophic.Even just this past week the OpenClaw guy ditched the EU for the US, calling out the EU's infertile business scene[2]. These are exactly the kind of people the EU should be clearing a path for and…

> calling out the EU's infertile business scene lol, it's always because of money. European tech startups often sell out to US investors because they offer more money. I've worked for companies that plodded along nicely privately owned, 20-50 employees, but they got "offers they couldn't refuse" from US companies and sold. Usually just buying us to stamp out potential competition/buying a customer base

So maybe Europe should let Europeans be the wealthy ones, rather than losing them to the US?

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Post by scblock »

delecti wrote: post #67
embedding-shape wrote: post #45

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If you're not in the EU, what even is the impact on you that was caused by GDPR? You're essentially not affected by it unless you run a business, which now you need to take greater care of the personal data you store. Is that what's annoying you or what?

The EU is to blame for cookie banners on basically every website on the internet. I wish the US had something similar, and that there was more enforcement of disallowing "accept all" buttons without an equivalent "reject all" option. I also recognize that websites don't need the banner if they aren't trying to track me, but lets not pretend there aren't annoying consequences.

If you want to be pedantic, the companies who track us across the internet with all of these third party tracking cookies on every website are the enemy here, not informed disclosure and consent.

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Post by maest »

braingravy wrote: post #221
maest wrote: post #55

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Reminds me of the "US high healthcare costs are subsidising EU cheap healthcare". The rough argument was: pharma companies need big payoffs when they discover a new drug and, due to structural characteristics of the US market, that's where they can get the highest prices. So pharmas make a large chunk of their profits in the US and then sell drugs more cheaply in e.g. Europe. Fairly weak and incomplete argument [1],…

So, the premise is high drug costs in the US subsidize drug prices in the EU. Presumably this conclusion was arrived at because pharma companies sell drugs at a higher cost in the US than they do in EU, Canada, or anywhere else. Therefore elevating profits in the US relative to profit margins in other nations. (Note: they reportedly use the profit to develop new drugs, so this is where the subsidization comes into pl…

Your response is fair. I didn't present the argument fully - there is on last step which says "therefore, EU is somehow indebted to the US". That last step is, I think, less defensible.

Also, even in the absence of the "indebtedness" conclusion, the subsidy argument assumes that pharma companies would reduce their R&D spend, instead of just accepting lower margins if the US could more aggressively negotiate drug prices.

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Post by JohnTHaller »

Given that the US has basically no data or privacy protections for its own citizens let alone non-US citizens, it's not surprising that countries are moving away from keeping their data in US-owned places. US companies mine data for everything and the kitchen sink and train AI using it without any sort of notice.

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Post by throw_rust »

TitaRusell wrote: post #96
orwin wrote: post #29

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US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports. I've eaten with someone who expected to be named diplomat in Europe because he supported Obama by 2007, but was one-uped by a richer donor post-primary.

Nobody in America noticed this but lately US ambassadors are going out of their way to insult and undermine the nations that they're posted in.

Wolf Warrior diplomacy on-shored, or perhaps American Sniper diplomacy?

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Post by JohnTHaller »

forinti wrote: post #4

How can you be so confrontational and still want people to give you business and data? I really don't envy the diplomats' job at the moment.

The US doesn't have diplomats anymore. Just Republican donors with no experience. Hell, Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner's dad is a diplomat. A really bad one.

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

neilv wrote: post #229

What kind of success are countries having finding technical talent with the right savvy fighter mindset to sever the dependence on an aggressive and culturally-entrenched threat? (Even the ordinary open source world has a lot of intrigue to be careful of. And most developers still think nothing of pulling in a fleet of dependencies from PyPI/NPM/Cargo/etc. as well as third-party network services. Everyone is being ta…

A great deal of what may be included in "homegrown talent" in the US according to this comment, indeed has come from other countries...

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Post by bondarchuk »

Tomte wrote: post #181
mamonster wrote: post #106

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>This is how most foreign services are run, with maybe the exception of China. Absolutely not most. What country in Europe has a significant amount of ambassadors that are not career diplomats / government workers ? In France, Germany, Switzerland you would either need to be a career diplomat/ foreign service worker or in rare cases you would be a career government employee assigned as diplomat to some specific count…

Former speaker of the chancellor (and TV news anchor before that) is German ambassador to Israel. Next ambassador will be a career politician. It‘s not uncommon, though I‘d say even the „cool posts“ like Paris or London usually go to career diplomats.

I know nothing about this but JumpCrisscross seems to use "political" to mean "has donated large sums of money" while your use of "political" is more like.. someone who does politics.

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Post by tracker1 »

Even as a US citizen... fuck that... it'd be like saying the US should open its' data up for China without any restrictions at all, even if they are slurping up everything they can as a state actor.

While, if you choose to use a US service, it shouldn't be required to host data in your country, if you know it's a US service with data in the US... government data is another thing entirely.. and $cloud provider should be required to accommodate if they want that business, or for companies in a given country for that matter.

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Post by PlatoIsADisease »

Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

>It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegemony should end.

Unipolar worlds are safer than Bipolar. Multipolar is extremely dangerous.

I imagine you didn't know that more people will be killed if the US doesn't have hegemony.

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