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Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by Sabinus »

hypeatei wrote: post #312
ItsBob wrote: post #180

Maybe it's just me but why is it on by default? Why is this shit not off in the first place? Why can't Firefox just be a browser with great html, css, js rendering and then have a bunch of toggles for extra crap that people want? Do they actually have metrics that show "When we enable this crap by default we make an extra $X Million per year"? I'd put money on that being untrue. I bet it's like the data-driven ad spe…

> Can we not just have something that works without spying, without engagement-driven shit switched on all the fucking time? Absolutely not! Making someone opt-in (the horror!) would result in too much confusion and support tickets! We can't ignore those tickets and tell people to figure it out, we have to cave and turn all the bullshit on by default. I think a lot of our problems can be explained by: corporations la…

Expecting everyone to learn a lot about Firefox to turn on features they want is a lot more of a burden on the users than expecting opinionated power users to remove features they don't want.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by Sabinus »

shevy-java wrote: post #19
throwmeoutplzdo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re mixing up funding with control. Mozilla Corporation takes money from Google for search placement. That doesn’t turn it into a subsidiary. Google doesn’t own it, doesn’t run its roadmap, and doesn’t ship its code. Mozilla negotiates search deals the same way Apple does for Safari. Revenue deal ≠ corporate control. On telemetry: you’re overstating it. Firefox ships with telemetry on, but it documents what it col…

That is not a mix-up though. Mozilla became dependent on the Google money - everyone sees this.

Feel free to provide Mozilla with a better funding stream. They've tried quite a few things.

I'm hoping the Europeans fund development to provide an alternative to Chrome.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by crossroadsguy »

elorant wrote: post #292
mfru wrote: post #243

Please let whoever steers Thunderbird development and road map also steer Firefox. Thunderbird is at the moment the pinnacle of user-centered, focused and down-to-earth development of open-source software.

Apart from the UI which is crap since their last major update. There are menu options everywhere, two ribbons on the top, a hamburger menu on the right and another on the left. For a long time you opened Thunderbird and it didn't default on the last message that you received but somewhere in the middle of the heap.

When you delete a message after that the old message remains selected and so if you hit delete again thinking the last time didn’t do the trick, you deleted another message and now go to deleted messages and try to find what you deleted.

The app has a phantom message even in empty folders that it keeps selected. Unread bubble and nothing else, an empty message. You can’t even delete it. Sometimes it persists between app restarts.

It shows unread count on a folder just because it feels like it.

It’s a long list.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by Gud »

nosioptar wrote: post #379
Gud wrote: post #367

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Absolutely. New Thunderbird sucks, I was afraid this would happen when they resumed development. what’s the best alternative? Give me the 1990s GUI back.

Clawsand SeaMonkey both have a more reasonable design. (SeaMonkey did a piss poor job picking screenshots for their webpage...) https://www.claws-mail.org/screenshots.php https://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/screenshots

Claws, that’s the one I remember.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by paddim8 »

wackget wrote: post #345
mfru wrote: post #243

Please let whoever steers Thunderbird development and road map also steer Firefox. Thunderbird is at the moment the pinnacle of user-centered, focused and down-to-earth development of open-source software.

You must be joking. The Supernova UI redesign is an unmitigated disaster. They unnecessarily butchered the look and feel of Thunderbird to the point where people are switching to forks.

The previous UI made no sense. Having the email viewer on the bottom and the list on the top instead of side by side makes absolutely no sense when most emails are designed for viewing in portrait.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by mmsc »

sunaookami wrote: post #383
windowliker wrote: post #247

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> userChrome.css does not work for the context menu on macOS Putting: #context-sendimage { display:none!important; } in that file works for me.

Does not work on macOS, it uses native context menus that can't be styled via userChrome.css.

Try disabling widget.macos.native-context-menus

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by windowliker »

sunaookami wrote: post #383
windowliker wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> userChrome.css does not work for the context menu on macOS Putting: #context-sendimage { display:none!important; } in that file works for me.

Does not work on macOS, it uses native context menus that can't be styled via userChrome.css.

> Does not work on macOS

Yes it does.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by ninkendo »

Sabinus wrote: post #399
ninkendo wrote: post #245

(This post is directed to all software that shoves features like this in my face, and especially Microsoft more than Firefox.) My problem with all software that shoves these AI features in my face, is that I don’t use features under duress. If you interrupt what I’m doing to push me to use a feature, I won’t use it. If you’re a web designer and you block the page to tell me to sign up for an account, I close the tab…

How is a company supposed to accommodate your personality while also showing other user new features that Firefox just added to the browser? If you're a contrarian by nature Firefox can't help you nor change their strategy to suit you, because the majority of users aren't like you.

You never, ever need to interrupt the user or stop them from what they’re doing in order to show them some new feature.

Here’s what you do:

- Make a “what’s new” section in settings.

- Put a link in there that takes me to a webpage where I can see what’s new.

- That’s it.

Instead what always seems to happen is that I’m in the middle of trying to do something with the software and in order to do that I must close whatever popup you’re shoving in my face to tell me about the new feature. I don’t have time to read it now because I opened the software with an intention to finish a task and I don’t have time to read it now. And then later when I finally do have the time to look at your new feature? Nobody bothers actually putting that information anywhere persistent, so I guess I’m out of luck even if I care about the feature.

Updating to a new iOS version is a perfect example of this. Say there are a dozen apps that have a new feature popup on first launch when you update iOS. Imagine a typical day waking up and trying to use my phone. I have to drive somewhere so I try to put an address into Maps and have to immediately fend off the “what’s new in maps” dialog so I can type the address I need to go to. Then I want to put on the song my kid is yelling at me to play and have to fend off the “what’s new in Music” popup. Later I’m trying to respond to an important text and have to fend off “What’s new in messages”, etc etc etc.

That first day using iOS is an absolute nightmare because of this.

Now imagine the alternative: a simple badge icon in the settings app, and I tap it and see a link to “what’s new in iOS”, and guess what, it can be a fucking webpage! I can bookmark it! I can add it to my reading list and see it later! Hell, I can even share it with my friends!

But no, instead apps insist on trying to increase “engagement” with their new feature, because some PM’s promo packet wants to include “this many users used my new feature” and the only way they can think to do this is to (1) stop the user from accomplishing their task until they tap the cutesy “Got It!” button, and (2) don’t bother with persisting it anywhere, because the idea that the user doesn’t have time to check out the feature now is so foreign to these sociopaths it never even crossed their mind.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by usefulposter »

p_ing wrote: post #305
usefulposter wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Click on the profile. Read every comment made since the account started posting again. Tell me what you think about those comments.

They're all sloppy. It reads nothing like an LLM.

You might want to check the front page :^)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47153644

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by godelski »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #388
godelski wrote: post #371

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Google doesn't sell your data?! What are you even talking about?! Do you think Google doesn't have your data because you don't use chrome? Do you think Google doesn't gave your data because you don't use Google search? Do you think Google doesn't have your data because you don't use Android? Do you think Google doesn't have your data because you don't use Gmail? Do you think Google doesn't have your data because you…

Yes Google has my data, but they don't sell it. Mozilla has my data and sells it.

Google 100% sells your data. What the fuck are you even talking about. It is their entire business model...
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