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Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Who remember the failed experiment of abandoning Micro$oft by Munich https://www-sueddeutsche-de.translate.goog/muenchen/muenchne...

It failed because of MS pushback and lobbying. As was reported countless times.

Also because Munich didn't actually want to leave Microsoft, they just wanted a better deal. (Which they got)

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft came back with a far lower cost offer than they had before, and took the new head out for nice lunches

So it sounds like Munich ditching Microsoft wasn't a principled move, but just a business tactic to get the same software for cheaper.

Either that or decision makers changed from the decision to drop. The first ones valued sovereignty higher but they moved on and the second ones valued it less.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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And meanwhile the exact same agency spits out government Android apps that use Play Integrity so citizens cannot ditch Google for GrapheneOS. This is symbolism, the minister does not actually care about digital sovereignty for the citizens.

I think it has more to do with ignorance. Device attestation is not trivial to adopt while both Apple and Google promise you a very simple abstraction. So it takes being informed and having leverage in the process to be able to make a difference. For me the blame is squarely on the technical “experts” who are behind the architecture and implementation of such apps.

Device attestation is precisely the thing I do not want my government to ever adopt. I have a Danish CPR number. They've given me a FIDO secure token generator as my phone is degoogled for MitID. Most Danes don't know what those words mean, and if they did, wouldn't understand why I distrust (all) governments (and indeed things! Three default scientific position is scepticism, albeit with varying degrees of priors)

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part is sarcastic here? As far as Europe as market goes, Software industries have already started to feel the pinch. Right now data protection and privacy rights of common people in the US is at lowest point, as we have seen in the news, anything goes for this administration. One must be living in an alternate reality to not see these things happening.

This admin is doing nothing we haven’t seen previous admins do. Blaming the administration for how poorly American privacy is takes the blame away from all other politicians who’ve helped to create the “standards” as we have then today.

It's true that the cloud act and other data handling issues were already there. There is one thing this US administration did that was unique though, which was to threaten the territorial integrity of an European country.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Brazil’s free software initiative in 2000’s was all about technological dependency.

Brazil was hoping to leverage governmental spending to kickstart a national software development industry. Some sort of leap into the future, jumping over first the industrial era and then service-based economy we missed.

It was killed with fire by huge Microsoft (and American, I suppose) lobbying in congress, but then America had a very favorable public view as a nurturing and democratic partner. Some sort of older brother guiding you into adulthood.

Currently, at least in my bubble, the public view of America is more like a predator with Trump as a protodictator. Not necessarily true, understand me, just as that older brother view wasn’t. But it’s public perception.

A good part of that disabling of the Brazil initiative was simply free Google workspace for public universities (which were in the government plan).

I suppose that given the existencial threat level of anxiety caused by current developments will probably make Europe government immune to American lobby (at least in the short term), so I suppose this can actually happen.

Let’s see how it develops when they try to ban Microsoft from the universities. That would be the acid test.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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From an applications point of view:

They want web apps only running in whatng cartel web engines?

libreoffice? A massive piece of software you can build only with US c++ compilers (MIT and mostly apple)? (the mistake was to use c++ in the first place, well computer languages on an insane level of complexity).

To put it together: it won't be perfect, lines for compromises will have to be drawn, and it will feel like getting out of 'the matrix' for the time (normal "users" won't understand), if you see where I am going. Digital freedom has a "price", efty "price" in a digital world dominated by Big Tech.

Going for a strong independence will have to hurt, or it will be slatted as "posture" more than a real long term/strategic will.

It is not "against" the US, but "in the interest" of the danish people (well, should be EU though...)

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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A lot of good behind this idea if nothing else than to keep Microsoft honest. The Azureware push is nauseating and such a transparent attempt to lock in its monopoly against disruptors. We’re hoping Tritium[1] can provide a free or commercial alternative for legal teams soon. All that said, it’s easy to underestimate the quality of Microsoft’s office products. They handle millions of edge cases, accessibility, i18n.…

> performant

Inexplicably taking two seconds to load the next page in a simple, 10 page .docx document on a completely idle MacBook Air M1 w/ 16GB RAM.

No memory pressure, no heavy processes, no excessive number of apps open.

Yes, it's normally much faster, but not always.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Good luck. It’s just not really practical. Office 365 is cheap and training everyone on another platform will cost more and make it harder to onboard new talent than using another system.

I worked for a company that was fully Google and the executives who were highly effective all just paid for excel themselves. It’s just not really practical when you’re going to make a presentation to learn how to do pivot tables in a new software in the crunch time.

I’m not a fanboy. I prefer Mac, but in a high cost labor environment like Europe it’s not worth it to save less than 1% of your labor cost on new software.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The perception in the rest of the world is that America has gone completely off the rails and could do almost literally anything at any time. I don't think this comment is that strange.

Which country do you live in?

Currently in Europe, but I've spent a few years in the states.

(Avoiding specifics, because I think AI will soon make it too easy to mass-doxx HN accounts based on their comment history, and I want to remain employable)

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