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Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by penetrarthur »

inatreecrown2 wrote: post #59
penetrarthur wrote: post #50

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There are a lot of Georgian wines in EU. Especially the recently popular orange wines(white wine made like red wine).

I recently tried an orange wine from a very good maker in Austria, with excellent whites and reds. I don't like the orange wine though, not my taste. I wonder why it is so popular.

I like it because it differs a lot from whites and reds and allows to get a different perspective on how wine can taste. While the difference within whites and within reds can be huge, the orange wine tastes like something completely alien, yet it can be very tasty.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by penetrarthur »

tpm wrote: post #62
inatreecrown2 wrote: post #59

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I recently tried an orange wine from a very good maker in Austria, with excellent whites and reds. I don't like the orange wine though, not my taste. I wonder why it is so popular.

Every orange wine is different, so one is not representative. For example I like the funky, wild ones. But besides the taste, one thing people tend to like about those wines, although it's not reserved to orange wines, is the natural manufacturing process that for example also often means less or even no added sulfites. For example my wife can't drink wine with a lots of sulfites, she gets stuffed nose immediately an…

I thought that's called "hangover" and you just need to drink more when that happens.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by tpm »

gnull wrote: post #42
Tade0 wrote: post #16

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> The narrative "people want EU (aka freedom and democracy), but bad dictators won't let them" is a populist one. Former eastern block members that are currently in the EU beg to differ. It's no accident that there's such a developmental gap between those of the former communist states which turned to the west vs those who remained in Russia's sphere of influence. You can't meaningfully prosper with Russia.

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> were already connected historically with logistics and culture > Georgia, on the other hand, is surrounded by non-EU countries > Georgia is super patriarchal and conservative

Greece at the time they entered had no land connection to the rest of EU, completely different language and alphabet etc., and also was "super patriarchal and conservative" FWIW.

But of course you have no interest in factual discourse, you are only here to spew mass-murderer propaganda.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by gnull »

tpm wrote: post #65
gnull wrote: post #46

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Not sure where you got that. Sounds like trying to use tropes from a superficial Hollywood action movie in real life, not my thing. I think that a Ukrainian in his sane mind would want to look at options he's dealt and pick the one that leads to most safety and prosperity to him and his family. At the same time the government ideologues are trying to indoctrinate him with nationalism to sacrifice it all for their goa…

> I think that a Ukrainian in his sane mind would want to look at options he's dealt and pick the one that leads to most safety and prosperity to him and his family. They have done this back in 2010's and decided that EU is the safe and prosperous future they want. In response, Russian mass murderers invaded and started to kill them. That is indeed a great ad for safety and prosperity inside the Russian world: you wi…

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Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by gnull »

penetrarthur wrote: post #70
gnull wrote: post #64

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What did the ratio of European tourists to Russian look like? Not sure what grab of power you're referring to. The inflow of Russians was a boost for Georgia. These are whole IT companies that moved with workers, high-paying jobs and taxes. Many of pro-Western views and European expectations of living standards (because they're from Moscow and St. Petersburg). Check specialty cafes in Tbilisi today and see when they…

There were not a whole lot of Russian tourists 10 years ago because the memories from Russian invasion of 2008 were still fresh. I'm not saying that inflow of Russians is particularly bad, it just raised the prices of everything very significantly, and together with the pro-Russian government and reversal in pro-European development, the European tourist influx is stagnant at best.

Oh sure, I can believe that. It still seems to me like a sign of Georgia's economy strengthening. Many people with buying capabilities which actually settle, not just come occasionally for cheap stuff. (Looking at the thread's context broadly) plus one for closer ties with Russia.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by sevensor »

riffraff wrote: post #3

Georgian cuisine and drinking is little known in the west but it's really, really good. It's a pity the country has been democratically backsliding for a while, which has limited their hopes of tighter integration with the EU.

Stalin is said to have gifted a large amount of Georgian brandy to Churchill at Yalta, which made Churchill more pliable during the proceedings. Until now, this is all I knew about Georgian food and drink.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by mopsi »

gnull wrote: post #74
tpm wrote: post #65

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> I think that a Ukrainian in his sane mind would want to look at options he's dealt and pick the one that leads to most safety and prosperity to him and his family. They have done this back in 2010's and decided that EU is the safe and prosperous future they want. In response, Russian mass murderers invaded and started to kill them. That is indeed a great ad for safety and prosperity inside the Russian world: you wi…

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There was no coup in Ukraine in 2014. It's one of those immediately revealing things like height of the chimneys in Auschwitz; just barely mention them and we all immediately know who you are.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by Shorel »

gregman1 wrote: post #11
riffraff wrote: post #3

Georgian cuisine and drinking is little known in the west but it's really, really good. It's a pity the country has been democratically backsliding for a while, which has limited their hopes of tighter integration with the EU.

As long as France is in EU no other country on earth can import good wine. Cheap - probably, heavily controlled and in many cases partially owned by French or in some rare cases other European companies (like in Chilean or Argentinian cases). This market is rather hardcore and kinda monopolized in EU. Go ask anyone who knows wine market or works at a Georgian (or any ex-Soviet restaurant). Georgian wine enjoyed this…

Well, here in BG it is hard to find French wine. There's plenty of Italian, Spanish, Chilean and Argentinian wine.

And also a healthy percent of local Bulgarian wine.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by gnull »

mopsi wrote: post #77
gnull wrote: post #74

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There was no coup in Ukraine in 2014. It's one of those immediately revealing things like height of the chimneys in Auschwitz; just barely mention them and we all immediately know who you are.

Sure. And you keep babbling and restating your point instead of proving it because you've got an overwhelming proof, you're just too polite to share it with us.

Re: Georgian wine culture dates back, uninterrupted, approximately 8k years

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Post by mopsi »

gnull wrote: post #79
mopsi wrote: post #77

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There was no coup in Ukraine in 2014. It's one of those immediately revealing things like height of the chimneys in Auschwitz; just barely mention them and we all immediately know who you are.

Sure. And you keep babbling and restating your point instead of proving it because you've got an overwhelming proof, you're just too polite to share it with us.

There's nothing to prove; by definition, elections != coup.
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