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Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

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Re: Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

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post #7

I'm glad they're working on something, because my bookmarks are a good example of horribly broken. (Ideally I'd have something that looked like the grid-home layout that most browsers have now, but for all my bookmarks. Then it'd have the ability to create / destroy folders, and drag and drop functionality to move bookmarks around.)

I'm the guy whose HD has a specific location for every single last file. My bookmarks terrify me. It is the closest digital equivalent to opening my closet, closing my eyes, throwing my clothes in and shutting it before the contents explode outward in a jumbled mess.

Re: Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

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I am one of the worst offenders of the "keep the tabs open variety". I have several hundreds of them open for months on end.

For this rather unusual browsing habit, no other browser other than FF works for me. FF does fine even on my 512MB Pentium-M laptop, Chrome for instance will make such a box unusable . Am somewhat relieved/piqued to see that this behavior is not unique.

I have been asked to defend my habit many times, so here it is: I use open tabs as a volatile bookmark. Things that have been on the tab for long and have been revisited several times, I usually bookmark permanently.

The crucial capability that open tabs have but bookmarks dont, is that it stores the context (in particular the trajectory that I took to that page) as well as the link.

So its a combination of an in-your-face-reminder and a semantic call-cc function that I can resume when I want...and I just love it.

It helps to have a few add-ons. The load/unload on demand been moved into the browser, so its not so essential to have it as an add-on anymore. Well, FF only does load on demand, not the unload part, the latter helps especially on low memory m/c. Another helpful add-on is one that allows searching for text in open (but possibly unloaded) tabs. Yet another is Xmarks, with it I have access to the tabs and bookmarks from any location. I dont have to pay for xmarks, but I still do anyway.

And a heartfelt thanks to FF developers for taking care of the memory footprint and the leaks. FF gets a lot of unwarranted flak, but mostly, I think from users whose experience have been formed on really old FF versions. Although I have to admit I was very reluctant to upgrade from FF3.5 thinking the new versions wont tolerate such tab abuse. I have been pleasantly surprised.

@hnriot It was indeed months, though I must have had to restart a couple of times, but no more. Also I did not mean 30x24. I would frequently let the laptop hibernate when not in active use.

Forgot to mention I use noscript and flashblock, which helped elliminate a lot of the crashes and other resource consumption badness. Another reluctant admission, FF has been stabler on windows than on linux, so much so that I have a dedicated windows laptop just for browsing. Things might have changed though, I havent checked back since the time i elliminated all X based browsers from my linux box except dillo. Linux is my "serious" box, so as a byproduct I waste less time on the net when I am on it (...in theory)

@lukifer I was quite happy with 3.7 not so much with 4.* 8 and above have been nice to me, but all these were on a very stable XP installation. So it could be related to an OS specific build. Also the addons: flashblock, noscript and memoryfox must have played a part in the stability too.

Re: Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

#13
Generally I only bookmark stuff that's going to be useful to me at a later date.

What I'd really like is for the bookmark to also cache the page locally so that even if I click the bookmark at a later date and the site has gone I can still read what was on the page.

Re: Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

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I don't really understand how the research led to the result. The survey of Firefox users showed that 34% of users knew about dragging the favicon, and only 21% actually used that technique. Instead, the "star-clicking" behavior seems to be most popular, and "bookmark this page" is also well known. Why not focus on those two mechanisms and attempt to combine the two, instead of improving one that is not well known?

Re: Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

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post #12

I am one of the worst offenders of the "keep the tabs open variety". I have several hundreds of them open for months on end. For this rather unusual browsing habit, no other browser other than FF works for me. FF does fine even on my 512MB Pentium-M laptop, Chrome for instance will make such a box unusable . Am somewhat relieved/piqued to see that this behavior is not unique. I have been asked to defend my habit many…

I think "months" has to be an exaggeration, I don't think I've had ff last months without require being restarted. I could imagine weeks, but not months. (FF 16/linux)

Re: Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

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post #13

Generally I only bookmark stuff that's going to be useful to me at a later date. What I'd really like is for the bookmark to also cache the page locally so that even if I click the bookmark at a later date and the site has gone I can still read what was on the page.

Have you seen Historious? http://historio.us/

Re: Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

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post #10

My main gripe about Mozilla (Firefox, really) bookmarks is how to merge two bookmark files with tags attached. Let me make that clearer, since apparently absolutely nobody at Mozilla can understand the italicized portion: I have two files full of tagged bookmarks. I want to have one file of tagged bookmarks. The tags from both original files must be preserved. If a bookmark is tagged in either of the original files,…

It is a source of perpetual amazement to me that there is not an extension that will do this for me.

I hate to be That Guy, but maybe you should look into writing your own; extensions are fortunately just bundles of JavaScript.

(I fear you may be very much into the Realm of the Edge Case.)

Re: Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

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post #12

I am one of the worst offenders of the "keep the tabs open variety". I have several hundreds of them open for months on end. For this rather unusual browsing habit, no other browser other than FF works for me. FF does fine even on my 512MB Pentium-M laptop, Chrome for instance will make such a box unusable . Am somewhat relieved/piqued to see that this behavior is not unique. I have been asked to defend my habit many…

Panorama / Tab groups are amazingly helpful for this, one of the best FF4+ features. This is another good step towards improving the feature.

I'm not sure how well the Dropzilla concept will work with a large number of bookmarks, or folders within folders, but I look forward to testing whatever they come up with.

Re: Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

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post #10

My main gripe about Mozilla (Firefox, really) bookmarks is how to merge two bookmark files with tags attached. Let me make that clearer, since apparently absolutely nobody at Mozilla can understand the italicized portion: I have two files full of tagged bookmarks. I want to have one file of tagged bookmarks. The tags from both original files must be preserved. If a bookmark is tagged in either of the original files,…

It is a source of perpetual amazement to me that there is not an extension that will do this for me. I hate to be That Guy, but maybe you should look into writing your own; extensions are fortunately just bundles of JavaScript. (I fear you may be very much into the Realm of the Edge Case.)

> I hate to be That Guy, but maybe you should look into writing your own; extensions are fortunately just bundles of JavaScript.

Javascript isn't the hard part here; it's trying to figure out how to extract anything like what I need from the places.sqlite databases that hold all the relevant data.

Re: Mozilla UX: Save For Later (why bookmarks are broken and how to fix it)

#20
I personally find there are different levels of bookmarks. Some are "I'll read that later" bookmarks, some are "I'm going to be using this a lot" bookmarks, and some are just "well this might be useful one day" bookmarks.

Personally I'd like a ranking system where I can rank these bookmarks in terms of priority. I could then set up filters to automatically prune some bookmarks after x days or after I've already visited them once.

All the mockup does is provide another interface for saving the bookmark - but this isn't the problem. The problem is consuming/revisiting the bookmark.

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