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A lot of that ambiguity would vanish if Israel did not have a habit of drastically overstating their case and quietly walking it back after they end up killing more journalists and toddlers than active combatants in hospital bombings. Also if reports didn't deliberately conflate 'armed man' with 'Hamas militant' and euphemize about the 'Hamas-run Interior Ministry' like that one does.
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Gaza began the war with a more powerful army than many European countries: more soldiers, more rockets, more war-fighting infrastructure. Gaza wasn't a particularly poor place before the war, certainly not by the standards of the middle east. It had mansions and average salaries that, for some professions, were higher than average salaries in Israel. It was a net food exporter.
> Gaza began the war with a more powerful army than many European countries What? You mean countries like Monaco and Liechtenstein? > more soldiers, more rockets Simply counting the # of soldiers or rockets is disingenuous when this is obviously an asymmetric war. It's clear that the method of combatant recognition employed by the IDF is flawed, given they're killing aid workers and people from the UN. Eg, here is Ha…
> What? You mean countries like Monaco and Liechtenstein?
No, my claim is much stronger. I mean Hamas's army was comparable to countries like Denmark (20k active soldiers), Finland, the Czech republic (27k active) and maybe even the Netherlands (40k active). Estimates of the size of Hamas's army pre October 7 range from 20k to 40k active combatants, with US intelligence estimates converging on 30k. This is looking just at fighters and excludes Hamas's political wing.
> Simply counting the # of soldiers or rockets is disingenuous when this is obviously an asymmetric war.
Counting things like soldiers and military arsenals is the standard way to evaluate military strength. And of course there is a force asymmetry, Israel is a global power and its air force is probably the second most effective in the world. That doesn't mean we shouldn't evaluate Gaza's military the way we would any other.
> Please explain what you mean by "war-fighting infrastructure ".
Well, for example, Hamas built the largest underground military tunnel system in the known world, a vast standing army numbering in the tens of thousands, gathered plenty of intelligence on Israel, militarized their population, and has a history of combat, for starters. But it goes way beyond this, and extends to the broad financial and military support they enjoyed from the IRGC.
> "Depends on what you mean by "standards of the Middle East", but just compare Israel($52k) and Gaza ($3455) for 2023:" I'm not comparing it to Israel, which is a standout in the middle east, and among the most technologically developed countries in the world. I'm comparing it to other middle eastern countries. It wasn't exactly destitute, despite its murderous, anti-woman, anti-gay, and antiy-jew jihadi philosophy. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE-xjBRKkPL/
> It's clear that the method of combatant recognition employed by the IDF is flawed, given they're killing aid workers and people from the UN.
Have you considered that the some aid workers were also Hamas militants? Or that the UN, through UNRWA, employed Hamas militants? Many of the so-called aid-workers israel killed turned out to actually have been part of Hamas. There is unfortunately extensive evidence that UN employees participated in the 10/7 attacks and the subsequent fighting. And Hamas uses world central kitchen and other aid organization vehicles and infrastructure, so distinguishing is not easy in the first place.
> How did you develop your understanding of this situation? And what are you trying to communicate here?
I have developed my understanding of this situation from decades of study on this topic, and at least a thousand of hours of research over the past 2.5 years. In the span of 15 years, I've gone from leading so-called pro Palestine rallies to my current positions. What I am trying to communicate is that reality is more nuanced than many (including a younger version of me) like to think. Reality is nuanced, and at odds with the picture you paint.
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The muslims arent native to the land though. They are just colonizers.
There was never a process where Arab or Muslim conquerors completely replaced the native population, they just added to it. Conversion and Arabization gradually transformed the existing population’s identity. If descent from conquerors means colonizer, then virtually no population on earth is non-colonial. Arabs in Palestine, Normans in England, Turks in Anatolia, Romans everywhere… Colonizer status is typically atta…
Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report
#664The team involved in this analysis, Forensic Architecture, have a pretty decent youtube channel showing how they do things: https://www.youtube.com/@forensicarchitecture1967/videos
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#665I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…
Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line
Did the ceasefire not coincide with the return of the hostages? What am I missing?
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Christians are ok with that, because they think they'll have been raptured already.
Pre-tribulation rapture is a 19th century invention by John Nelson Darby that most Christians worldwide have never held. The entire Orthodox and Catholic traditions reject it. Treating it as 'what Christians believe' is like treating Mormonism as mainstream Islam. It tells you more about the speaker's ignorance of the subject than about the subject itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind_(novel)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture's_Delight
It's all bullshit in the end, but I personally know many people that hold that view that consider themselves Christian. In fact, they think Catholics aren't Christian and are going to hell, because they worship idols.
More specifically, when talking about US politicians like Mike Huckabee that spout off weird religious stuff like this, you can assume protestantism at least, if not fundamentalism and associated woo.
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#667Full report: https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...
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#668Full report: https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...
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Removed from command for killing aid workers point blank? That seems like a light wrap on the wrist, not commensurate with the severity of the deed, no?
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#669If so many comments are going to be flagged, why even bother having a comment section?
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Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line
> Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line Did the ceasefire not coincide with the return of the hostages? What am I missing?