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IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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>Israeli soldiers fired over 900 bullets at the aid workers That is a LOT of shooting. A normal mag holds 30 rounds, that's 30 full magazines worth of bullets they dumped into these people. They were really trying to make sure there were no survivors.

What is the appropriate term to describe something that would do such a thing to a human being?

What should be done with it?

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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My stance is Mossad reading: - Likud is an evil political party - Natanyahu is a wanted war criminal - IDF committed many atrocities - Hamas was insane to think that Bibi would NOT BOMB the Gaza in retaliation. - Hamas was the first to cast the stone. - Israel ALWAYS gonna retaliate with non proportional force when it comes to security of its citizens.

> Hamas was the first to cast the stone. That is ignoring many decades of history.

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Yes, it's specific. It's also a fact that is in direct contradistinction to the OP's claim. Israel has also not fired any missiles at hospitals, with one exception (a small diameter bomb aimed specifically at Hamas that caused minimal damage).

Again: > I'm not sure why destroying hospitals with tanks, missiles, and sappers is better than "aerial bombs". Could you elaborate?

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-famil... Read that and tell me that Israel is acting proportionally...

If video evidence indicates IDF personnel committing these crimes also happen to be US citizens I wonder if those people could face criminal prosecution in the US. As an American I wouldn't want to live next to or do business with a serial murderer. I certainly wouldn't want them coaching my kids sports or other community involvement.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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The rules aren't written by plucky revolutionaries, but the big powers. They, thus, fairly often favor people who fight like the big powers. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/17/can-hospitals-... > Article 8 of the Rome statute, which established the international criminal court (ICC) in The Hague, defines a long list of war crimes including “intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to rel…

> This is the same mistake many made about Nazi Germany; convincing themselves that the Germans were uniquely evil. It stops people from having to examine themselves.

You seriously need to educate yourself about history, what the nazis did, and what is going on in the middle east, because only a person who has absolutely no idea about either of these subjects could draw this terrible comparison. Unless, of course, you're just interested in spreading disinformation bordering on blood libel.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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I don’t think we can truly compare the missile attacks of Hamas vs the bombing campaigns of Israel Look at any photo of any neighborhood in Israel, is there anywhere that remotely looks similar to the pile of rocks that Gaza looks like now? Universities, hospitals, so much infrastructure, all gone. So much of Gaza is now people living in tents. Israel destroyed so much civilian infrastructure that existed. How’s that…

Look, I don't disagree, but American cities looked pretty fine after WWII, and Germany was rubble. Which side gets pounded more doesn't inherently prove which side was right. (In this case, I'm of the opinion that both sides committed clear, deliberate war crimes.)

Germany invaded most of Europe and left much of it in rubble. You're picking a very weird, specific comparison (German vs. US cities) and leaving out the obvious comparison (German vs. Soviet or Polish cities).

Also, comparing Nazi Germany, a massively powerful industrial state, with a tiny, poor territory under foreign occupation by a vastly superior power is insane.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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I find that a good sniff-test in politics is to change the actor in a claim to be Jewish and then consider if that make the claim an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Works surprisingly well. For example: > facing an enemy [Hamas] who does everything they can to get their own people killed to make you look bad Imagine the "enemy" in that sentence was not "Hamas", but "The Jews" - that would be a very antisemitic narrati…

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> I recall some time ago an Israeli strike--they hit with a roof knocker, Hamas responded by ordering the neighbors to rush to the roof. Too slow, the house was packed with people when the bomb fell. And somehow that's Israel's fault?!

I don't even understand what you are trying to tell me here. You are constructing a sourceless story that after the Israeli Army dropped a small bomb on a house ( "roof knocker" is a euphemism) Hamas ordered some civilians to go on top of the roof.

Hamas did this, in your telling, because they knew that the first small bomb, was the precursor to a large second bomb designed to explode the whole building.

What would be the military objective here? Hamas knows that human shields do not stop the Israeli army. So it was not to stop the Israeli army from blowing up the building.

Even worse, your logic is not even that Hamas ordered the civilians to go up on the roof not because they thought it would prevent the Israeli army from blowing up the house, you write

> Hamas deliberately gets people killed.

that means you think that Hamas sent these people on the roof to let the Israeli army execute them, not even to use them as a human shield.

That is such a confused story.

Can you explain what you are talking about ?

What probably really happened is that Israel did a double tap: attack once, wait for people to rush back to tend to the injured, attack them again.

While atrocious, there is at least a military tactic behind this.

Your story about Hamas sending people on a roof in order for them to be killed has no sense to it and it seems it's only purpose is to dehumanize Palestinians.

But maybe I am off here. Please explain what you were trying to tell me again.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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post #259

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-famil... Read that and tell me that Israel is acting proportionally...

If video evidence indicates IDF personnel committing these crimes also happen to be US citizens I wonder if those people could face criminal prosecution in the US. As an American I wouldn't want to live next to or do business with a serial murderer. I certainly wouldn't want them coaching my kids sports or other community involvement.

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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> Hamas was the first to cast the stone. Palestine is a country under a brutal military occupation and progressive illegal colonisation that has been going on for 80 years. Before October 7, Israel had already killed many, many more civilians in Gaza than Hamas did in Israel with that attack.

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Many countries disagree with that. However, virtually everyone agree that it is not Israeli territory.
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