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IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kombine wrote: post #230
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If this was happening against the west, people would care a lot more It’s literally happening in Ukraine and, to a lesser scale but precisely the same in type, Minneapolis. On the other hand, there are conflicts across Africa and Asia which are not receiving half the attention.

> On the other hand, there are conflicts across Africa and Asia which are not receiving half the attention. Because the West doesn't fund and shield the perpetrators unlike Israel.

> the West doesn't fund and shield the perpetrators unlike Israel

Sure. Though Western arms absolutely play heavily in Sudan and across South America. My point is it’s odd to single out Gaza as a case where the West doesn’t care. It’s more that it uniquely has folks in the West who care strongly about both sides.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

peterashford wrote: post #369
throwaway3060 wrote: post #282

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I hear this sentiment a lot when it comes to people trying to justify why Ukrainians or Iranians are somehow less deserving of their attentions, and it infuriates me every time. If the goal is to try to prevent unjustified killings, then it makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. In a democracy your government (supposedly) represents you, thus the actions of your government are those you are partly morally responsible for and partly have some control over. If Russia or China is selling AK47s to warlords in Sudan, there's not much that westerners can do about it

> thus the actions of your government are those you are partly morally responsible for and partly have some control over

America has global force projection power. It has about as much influence in Gaza as it does in e.g. Venezuela or even, arguably, Iran.

Everyone has good reasons for why their pet war is the most central to our interests. I think it’s fair to accept that there are multiple good answers.

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Post by School-Cotton »

neoromantique wrote: post #405
jeromegv wrote: post #374

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Is that the same cooperation seen in the West Bank where Israel keeps sending settlers and make Palestine land smaller and smaller every single year? I highly recommend to watch the Oscar winning movie “no other land”, for anyone that thinks that Israel would just let them leave in peace

Israeli settlers are despicable, but even in current government those who support them are minority freaks(who Hamas has empowered very much after October 7th). Also it is a two way street, there is also a problem of Palestinian settlers, which while I do want to highlight is separate and in no way justifies the Israeli ones, is still a real problem and harnesses a lot of bad publicity when Israel destroys said illeg…

What? Settlers are totally tolerated and supported by the state. Look at Ariel, it is a fully established town settled almost 50 years ago with a university that operates in every practical way as part of Israel. If you think the government doesn't support them, what would support look like?

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Post by basilgohar »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #409
n4r9 wrote: post #328

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Let's also not forget that Hamas still exists and is regaining numbers and territory: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98g1klxnpxo You can't just stamp out a guerilla resistance the way Israel have tried to do. I suspect Hamas reckoned that a well-timed short term sacrifice would turn global opinion against Israel.

Well they still have the full support of the usa government, and I'm pretty sure that even democrats would still keep supporting Israel. So what did they really lost? Do they even care that some Europeans don't like them ? Europeans are not the one who sell them 99% of their weapons.

Europe is extremely important to Israel. Their legitimacy stems from seeing themselves as European. Their loss of support from Europe is very bad in the long term.

Yes, US is supporting them to. They are losing from both sides, though. They may have part of the remaining generation in power and that's it.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by magic_hamster »

ceejayoz wrote: post #421
magic_hamster wrote: post #407

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From the report: > The report by Earshot and Forensic Architecture reconstructs, minute by minute, how the massacre unfolded. Using video and audio recordings from the incident[1], open-source images and videos[2], satellite imagery[3], social media posts[4], and other materials[5], as well as in-depth interviews with two survivors of the attack[6], the groups were able to digitally reconstruct the scene and events s…

You can see the video at https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-isr... . Decide for yourself if the initial Israeli claims that it was an unmarked, unlit convoy check out. Only need to see the first few seconds, if you don't wanna hear all the shooting and dying.

I was addressing the "digital reconstruction", replying to what you said about satellite images "showing the scene" (which is wrong), not claims on whether or not emergency light was on. It would be appreciated if you actually replied to my comment.

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Post by george916a »

ceejayoz wrote: post #127

I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…

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Post by stefan_ »

apexalpha wrote: post #71
Qem wrote: post #2

Full report: https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...

This is very thorough. Thanks for the direct link. The case seems pretty clear, especially since the soldiers tried to hide all evidence.

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Post by anderber »

ceejayoz wrote: post #376
LorenPechtel wrote: post #370

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Yeah, Israel has done some infiltration like that. Not proper, but you're pointing out a molehill while ignoring the mountain.

When the molehill is a war crime, sure.

So is the mountain, though

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Post by ceejayoz »

magic_hamster wrote: post #445
ceejayoz wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can see the video at https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-isr... . Decide for yourself if the initial Israeli claims that it was an unmarked, unlit convoy check out. Only need to see the first few seconds, if you don't wanna hear all the shooting and dying.

I was addressing the "digital reconstruction", replying to what you said about satellite images "showing the scene" (which is wrong), not claims on whether or not emergency light was on. It would be appreciated if you actually replied to my comment.

The satellite images start on page 39 of the report, showing the cover-up efforts.
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