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Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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> I wonder what sort of user testing made them decide that what Firefox users really need is a chat bot in the site bar. Isn't a chat bot in a tab good enough? If it wasn't because I find myself using the AI-sidebar all the time I would probably have shared your opinion. I guess it's just quite convenient to have it separated from the "regular" tabs and their history.

Could you please describe your use-case? How do you use it? How do you make use of it? I use Claude code, so I understand that paradigm; I don't grok this though. Is it any different then going to a web page i.e. gemini.google.com and typing your query there? Could this side bar have been a "search bar" at the top? Now that I say it out lou, adding them to the 'search providers' isn't a bad idea. Generally speaking I…

I use it to communicate with AI about content I'm reading without having to navigate away from the content and breaking flow. On a 4k screen there's plenty of horizontal space to have the AI sidebar and display a web page.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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I ended up switching over to Betterbird. It's easier to setup and more stable.

Does it work with the OWL extension?

If you mean Exchange, then yes. It also supports OAuth2.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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> AI chatbot in the sidebar, which lets you use your chosen chatbot as you browse, including options like Anthropic Claude, ChatGPT, Microsoft Copilot, Google Gemini and Le Chat Mistral." When i saw this i expected something more... integrated, but when i tried it with a local LLM (using koboldcpp) after enabling the option to show localhost as an option (it is hidden by default for some reason) all it did was to loc…

The chatbot providers don’t allow any cleaner integration unless you are using pay-per-request API rates.

This is not a problem for local LLMs though - and AFAIK Firefox does require from you to login to the cloud chatbots, so you'd probably be the one getting charged for it.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Here you go: https://web.archive.org/web/20200929085743/https://en.wikipe... Admittedly I don't think this uses the term AI, but "deep learning" and "artificial neural network" are indeed AI, and if you follow those links in the Wikipedia article you will indeed find them described as such.

i agree, but the guy said AI was a synonym for machine translation long before the currently confused meaning appeared

I don't think they did, they said machine translation is considered AI, that is, it's the subset of things that are AI. Not that they are one and the same.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Could you please explain briefly then why my statement is wrong? What are the fundamental challenges not addressed by LLMs today? Do you think the whole approach has insurmountable roadblocks ahead, or is it more of a matter of refinement?

Context dependant phrases, from simple pronouns to whole domain specific terms, are still randomly wrong, sometimes appallingly so. Hallucinations still happen. Auto-AI translation youtube uses is, bluntly, horrid. Any jokes, even obvious ones, are still fumbled frequently. LLM based translation looks more convincing but requires the same level of scrutiny that previous tools did. From a workflow POV they only added…

> Hallucinations still happen. Auto-AI translation youtube uses is, bluntly, horrid. Any jokes, even obvious ones, are still fumbled frequently.

I've seen that too, but these were all dedicated translation tools and auto-translate functionality.

My benchmark is against SOTA LLMs used directly. I.e. I copy the text (or media) in question, paste directly to ChatGPT or Gemini (using the best model on basic paid tier), and ask for translation. Not always perfect, but nearly so - and they naturally ingest additional context if available - such as the surrounding text, or title/ID/URI of the document/website you're looking at, or additional explanations in the prompt - and make very good use of it. This has always been missing in dedicated tools, historically built around the mistaken assumption that translation is merely a function of input text and pair of language designators (from, to). The shorter the input, the more apparent it becomes how much context matters.

RE YouTube and such - or, like any auto-transcription in video calls I've seen - I can't explain that by anything other than service providers cheapening out on this.

> From a workflow POV they only added higher compute costs for very questionable gains.

Regarding the costs - I imagine they may be an issue at scale, but for regular use (on-demand translation of individual passages, documents, recordings), it feels like it shouldn't be that noticeable anymore. You don't need to run GPT-5 for everything, some models you can run client-side already seem decent enough, and they keep improving.

> LLM based translation looks more convincing but requires the same level of scrutiny that previous tools did.

That's fair. Ultimately, if you don't know both languages, you can only trust the translation as much as you trust the translator (human or otherwise). We'll have to get a feel for this as much as we did with Google Translate, et al. In my experience, whenever I can verify them, results from LLMs are already vastly superior to prior art.

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Tangent, and why I started considering LLMs as solving universal translation in the first place: 6 months ago, when I needed to talk with someone with whom I had zero language overlap, I tried several well-known translation apps (notably Google and Samsung), and none could manage - but then, on a whim, I just asked ChatGPT (in "advanced voice" mode) to "play a game" where it listens in and repeats whatever was just said in language A, but translated to language B, and vice versa -- and it worked flawlessly on first try.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Do it. It's the only truly independent browser left. It's not perfect, but it works, and unlike Chrome you can have full ad blocking with uBlock Origin.

> only truly independent browser Only truly independent browser engine left. Firefox is entirely independent on google, but unlike its competitors this dependency is through direct cash payments.

Perhaps the Europeans will end up funding Firefox to get away from American corporate tech dependency. Firefox has tried valiantly to get away from Google money but it's difficult to fund browser development from small donations or without cross-subsidies from other business, like web advertising.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Question is, can you sidestep or disable them in user scripts or in developer tools, without disabling CSP entirely or doing something even more invasive (and generally precluding use of that browser instance for browsing)?

We made sure to exclude WebExtensions code from web pages's Trusted Types restrictions enforcement. (Bugs can happen of course)

I sincerely thank you for doing that - and for saying it!

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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(This post is directed to all software that shoves features like this in my face, and especially Microsoft more than Firefox.) My problem with all software that shoves these AI features in my face, is that I don’t use features under duress. If you interrupt what I’m doing to push me to use a feature, I won’t use it. If you’re a web designer and you block the page to tell me to sign up for an account, I close the tab…

How is a company supposed to accommodate your personality while also showing other user new features that Firefox just added to the browser? If you're a contrarian by nature Firefox can't help you nor change their strategy to suit you, because the majority of users aren't like you.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Maybe it's just me but why is it on by default? Why is this shit not off in the first place? Why can't Firefox just be a browser with great html, css, js rendering and then have a bunch of toggles for extra crap that people want? Do they actually have metrics that show "When we enable this crap by default we make an extra $X Million per year"? I'd put money on that being untrue. I bet it's like the data-driven ad spe…

Because the vast majority of Firefox users aren't contrarians or diehard anti AI crusaders. These features are helpful to people. So they're on and available for people to use, and since it's a foss customisable browser, users with strong opinions can change it to their liking.

I don't think the AI features are used for advertising data harvesting but I'm happy to be educated if you have a source saying otherwise.

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