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Making Wolfram tech available as a foundation tool for LLM systems

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Re: Making Wolfram tech available as a foundation tool for LLM systems

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Post by eigenket »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #131
laserbeam wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> against the spirit of science to keep them from the general public Within science, participants have always published descriptions of methodology and results for review and replication. Within the same science, participants have never made access to laboratories free for everyone. You get blueprints for how to build a lab and what to do in it, you don't get the building. Same for computation. I'm fairly sure almost…

This is why the incoming generation of AI engineers organizing autonomously and openly on git etc will decimate the dusty locked away AI academia generation. The concept of heavy gatekeeping and attribution chasing seems asinine as knowledge generation and sharing isn't metered.

I would say almost exactly the opposite is happening. Academia generally publishes it's results relatively freely but academic AI research is largely being left in the dust by large corporations who do not find it in their interest to publicly describe the "magic dust" that makes their products work.

Re: Making Wolfram tech available as a foundation tool for LLM systems

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Post by _alaya »

iamtedd wrote: post #113
_alaya wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plot twist - AI reasoned that Stephen Wolfram actually was the smartest human and thus chose to emulate his writing style.

Well, he writes often enough, for long enough, and being who he is, he's got to be a large part of everyone's training data.

You're absolutely right!

Re: Making Wolfram tech available as a foundation tool for LLM systems

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

squeefers wrote: post #149
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #148

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>people are dying because hospitals cant afford to operate In general, around 24% of health care costs are spent in the final year of life. It is also legal here for folks to request a painless early exit from palliative and end-of-life care, but depends on individuals faith and philosophical stance. 1. How many local kids do you personally know made it into medical school? 2. Is your national debt and %debt to GDP r…

so no money then? what i said

Currency requires trade to generate tax revenue, and is like holding a bucket of water with a hole in the bottom.

Folks could nationalize gold reserves >1oz like the US did to exit the depression, publish holding-company investment owners, tax investment properties at 6% of assessed value every year, and pass a right-of-first-sale to citizens regardless of bid amount on residential zoned estates like Singapore.

One may wager any such actions are unlikely from the hapless. =3

Re: Making Wolfram tech available as a foundation tool for LLM systems

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Post by HPsquared »

laserbeam wrote: post #98
Davidzheng wrote: post #40

There's a lot of value in the implementation of many strong and fast algeorithms in computer algebra in proprietary tools such as Maple, Wolfram, Matlab. However, I (though of course believe that such work needs to be compensated) find it against the spirit of science to keep them from the general public. I think it would be good service to use AI tools to bring open source alternatives like sympy and sage and macaul…

> against the spirit of science to keep them from the general public Within science, participants have always published descriptions of methodology and results for review and replication. Within the same science, participants have never made access to laboratories free for everyone. You get blueprints for how to build a lab and what to do in it, you don't get the building. Same for computation. I'm fairly sure almost…

Notable OSS contributions should confer status and funding, like paper publications do.

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Post by patmorgan23 »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #128
Davidzheng wrote: post #40

There's a lot of value in the implementation of many strong and fast algeorithms in computer algebra in proprietary tools such as Maple, Wolfram, Matlab. However, I (though of course believe that such work needs to be compensated) find it against the spirit of science to keep them from the general public. I think it would be good service to use AI tools to bring open source alternatives like sympy and sage and macaul…

People need to eat. That's the main flaw in open source. Yes, its a great idea, but why am I working a real job to eat, and spending nights and weekends on a project just as a hobby. Science doesn't progress very fast using the 'hobby' model of funding. Unless you are rich, and it is a hobby, much like Wolfram Alpha was. He wanted to play with math/physics stuff and was rich enough to self fund.

But science does progress on the free sharing of information. Academics get paid to produce stuff that's free for everyone all the time.

No one is contesting that people who build these libraries should be compensated.

The argument is that if more scientific tools and knowledge are freely (or cheaply) available you lower the barrier to entry to experiment and play with those tools/concepts, which means more people will, which means you'll get more output. How many billion dollar companies are built on software that is open source? All of them have it somewhere in their stack whether they know it or not.

Re: Making Wolfram tech available as a foundation tool for LLM systems

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Post by wyan »

adius wrote: post #70

I agree, but to be truly foundational, it needs to be open source and accessible for everyone! That’s why I’m working on an open source implementation of Mathematica (i.e. an Wolfram Language interpreter): https://github.com/ad-si/Woxi

Isn't there already Maxima which is several decades old?

Re: Making Wolfram tech available as a foundation tool for LLM systems

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Post by wyan »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #109
scotty79 wrote: post #107

He's 10 years too late for that. That's how you lose by keeping your stuff proprietary. The world innovates without paying any attention to you and you get left behind. Imagine if 10 years ago Wolfram software was opensourced. LLMs would be talking it since the day one.

>Imagine if 10 years ago Wolfram software was opensourced. They would have lost ten years of profits and development would have slowed.

Or accelerated, since development would have ceased to be restricted to Wolfram's employees
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