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IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Their message didn't make any of the extrapolations that you're suggesting and I don't think that the post itself does that either.

The message is ambiguous. It can be interpreted the way I read it.

I disagree that it's ambiguous, and I think how you choose to interpret it comes down to the difference between charitable interpretation and bad faith.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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I think it also touches on issues of interest to the hn crowd (it's being reported on a YC-incubated platform!), and one especially unique things about the reporting is the spatial reconstruction of the scene, which is not a degree of detail you typically get, and limits the number of variations of interpretations possible. I also think issues of censorship are very high on the list of topics of interest on HN and fe…

Israel and Palestine is one of the most obsessively covered topics in every form of western media. All the more the reason it doesn’t belong on HN. I’ll grant that there’s a tech angle to this specific story, but past experience with such articles on HN is that they reliably devolve into endless repetition of fixed talking points on each side. No useful information or opinion is conveyed, just endless insinuation and…

I agree that Bluesky is a great place to go into more depth about it, and in many respects a better place than HN to get good discussion. But I think there's equivocation going on here.

Framing it as "obsessive" is an attempt to shift away from subject matter toward an attitude of journalists or consumers, like it's borne of the same attitude as paparazzi. But I think it merits significant coverage not for that reason, but because it so frequently meets criteria for meriting journalistic attention.

I agree that comment sections can be bad, but they aren't always, and to some degree I would rather trust moderation than suppress reporting on a topic of legitimate interest. You're exactly right that a lot of reaction is toxic and politicized, and sometimes the way that manifests is by trying to cook up rationales to suppress stories by flagging them. Out of respect for the concern you've identified, it would be a huge mistake to let politicization win by allowing politically motivated abuse of flagging.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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I think GP was making a joke - since zionists claim any anti-zionist behavior is anti-semitic.

Then I apologize without retraction.

Good instinct to fight against antisemitism, because there is a lot of it. Unfortunately the Israeli government lobs accusations of antisemitism at its (legitimate) critics frequently, enough so to muddy the waters between actual antisemitism and criticism of the Israeli state.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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why is this flagged ?

@dang any explanation for this being flagged? Am I still allowed to ask why the moderators don't want people to read and discuss this particular technology story?

I also would appreciate knowing if the mods see this. I'm worried that flagging is possibly automated and vulnerable to campaigning.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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I reached this post via https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals I recommend any hackernews users to check that site frequently, plenty of interesting posts on hackernews that get flagged and hidden daily.

In https://hckrnews.com these flagged items appear listed. With https://hckrnews.com as my entry into HN I don't see the need for HackerNewsRemovals other than curiosity to see what is removed.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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No. Your message is. A lot of people commit mortal sin of logical fallacy by extending the responsibility for actions of certain group of people to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion. It‘s the stupidity worth of the strongest condemnation given the context. It‘s not jews committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists. It‘s not muslims or Palestinians planning and executing terrorist attacks, it‘s religiou…

> why is this flagged ? Because flaggers deem it to be anti-semitic > committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists This is 1) extending responsibility for actions of induviduals to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion 2) a display of anti-semitic bigotry Otherwise it, like most tech heavy investigations, showcase how much useful information there is fly around out there in the air just waiting to be hoove…

Zionism isn't an ethnicity or a religion.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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why is this flagged ?

I'll give you the "party line" (i.e. best-effort understanding of HN-moderators perspective) for why articles like this are frequently flagged:

1) The entire discussion is a rehashing of the exact same points every time the topic is posted, and not very insightful

2) The participation rate for experts (or even authors) in the discussed field/topic is very low (compared to programming topics)

3) The discussion rarely stays civil and requires excessive moderation

An observation (have no verbatim quote, but believe from dang) is that there is a significant base of "anti-political", otherwise "known-good" HN participants, that flag topics like this preemptively pretty much regardless of perspective and exact topic (presumably for above reasons). You can certainly still blame the flagging on bots or Zionists, but it's almost certainly not only those.

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