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Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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post #278

Am I the only one who absolutely adores the local based translation feature? I use it regularly and its so good.

Yes, I really like it. I wish they let extensions access it directly but it seems they don't (yet, at least). I'm also a bit surprised more hasn't been done to distribute it separately as a command line tool as I think something like that would be very helpful. I have seen a couple of attempts to put a CLI wrapper around it but they are third-party and seem to not be well maintained or documented.

Some one up thread pointed out about:translations is where it seems to be hidden.

Also a fan of this feature. It's actually been around awhile but I think the Asian languages are a more recent addition.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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post #214

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No battle has been won. Firefox's market share is dwindling, and they're going full steam ahead with turning Firefox into an "AI browser". Yes, they are adding an option to turn off AI features, but I don't want to use an "AI browser with AI features disabled", I want to use a normal web browser. Mozilla is not delivering that. Note that just not bogging down Firefox with AI features is not enough here. Firefox marke…

This narrative gets endlessly repeated in comment sections despite not even pretending to align with the factual record. The side bets era from roughly 2020-present did not retroactively cause the market share losses from 2010-2015. The problem with this revisionist history is that it's completely helpless to address the actual dynamics that led to the rise of Chrome, and attempts to tell the entire story in terms of…

When I said Mozilla's market share has been going downhill for most of my life, that counts the 2010-2015 market share losses. I don't think anything 2020-present retroactively caused the losses in 2010; on the other hand, I think Mozilla has been mismanaging Firefox since before 2010. I can't recall a period of more than a few years where Mozilla hasn't done some egregious mistake which alienates chunks of its user base.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No battle has been won. Firefox's market share is dwindling, and they're going full steam ahead with turning Firefox into an "AI browser". Yes, they are adding an option to turn off AI features, but I don't want to use an "AI browser with AI features disabled", I want to use a normal web browser. Mozilla is not delivering that. Note that just not bogging down Firefox with AI features is not enough here. Firefox marke…

> Firefox market share has been going downhill for most of my life Firefox market shares are the best of any non OEM browser[1] and is beating competition from a number of OEM browser (like Samsung's one on mobile) and is fairly competitive compared to the desktop version of Safari (only 1% below on desktop market share). Yes market share have been going downhill but mostly because they were abnormaly high for someth…

Chrome built its market share as a non-OEM browser, and to this day, it's only an OEM browser on Android yet it dominates the desktop browser space.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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It's hard to be in charge of a project like this. You're criticized no matter what you do. The old UI was criticized by some for being outdated, a mix of old and new styles, didn't fit well with new OS/app styles, etc. It was crap. So they update the UI and it's still crap... for other users. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

the people still using a fat client are likely doing it because they don't like change edit: I say this MYSELF as a thunderbird user! I don't want an "new experience" every 9 months, and having to explain it to my parents

And I use a fat client because I like having all of my email addresses aggregate to one place, and I like it when that software gives me a modern look and feel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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post #309

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The average browser user isn't using Firefox and won't be any time soon.

If you don't add features that the average user might want, then yeah there won't be any more new users.

If you are competing with giants, you don't go after the average user but an under-served niche instead.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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post #189

In addition to completely disabling AI, I found the following setting extremely convinent to disable in about:config. They clutter up my right-click on a link or on text selection. browser.translations.select.enable dom.text_fragments.enabled privacy.query_stripping.strip_on_share.enabled devtools.accessibility.enabled Now if only I could get rid of "Print selection" and "Services" when right-clicking, too (on MacOS)

Why would you disable "dom.text_fragments.enabled"? Why "privacy.query_stripping.strip_on_share.enabled"?

The latter, especially, seems helpful.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to be in charge of a project like this. You're criticized no matter what you do. The old UI was criticized by some for being outdated, a mix of old and new styles, didn't fit well with new OS/app styles, etc. It was crap. So they update the UI and it's still crap... for other users. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

the people still using a fat client are likely doing it because they don't like change edit: I say this MYSELF as a thunderbird user! I don't want an "new experience" every 9 months, and having to explain it to my parents

Or people that simply have more than one email account?

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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post #203

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Then you right-click on the AI button and click on "remove", but that's a whole different discussion than what you asked in the previous comment. It's also why I really don't understand the need for a kill switch to begin with (other than pleasing annoying users), you don't need to wait for it. You can already get rid of the chatbot integration, there's a remove button already. It's also kind of annoyingly easy to mi…

Because what people want is not an opt-out, like Mozilla have given, but an opt-in. This is the grudging half-measure. Many would have preferred the updates to come with a form asking for on or off. It didn't, so they complained, and this was the answer.

Frankly I don't really even want an opt-in. If Mozilla wants to go build an AI browser, they can do that, but it should be a separate project; don't transition Firefox into being an AI browser. I don't want to use an "AI browser with AI features disabled", whether through an opt-in option or an opt-out option.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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post #10

I don't know...at one point I got off Firefox because it was slow and I was never able to get back to it ever again. Maybe I should try now?

I went back to it 6 months ago once Chrome got rid of ublock. It’s pretty good but then some update a week or two ago blew away all my profiles.
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