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IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by ivan_gammel »

lostmsu wrote: post #43
ivan_gammel wrote: post #33

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No. Your message is. A lot of people commit mortal sin of logical fallacy by extending the responsibility for actions of certain group of people to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion. It‘s the stupidity worth of the strongest condemnation given the context. It‘s not jews committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists. It‘s not muslims or Palestinians planning and executing terrorist attacks, it‘s religiou…

I believe religion is a reasonable extension. Some of them explicitly call for murdering unbelievers.

it‘s „some“, not „all“. Religious extremism by definition.

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Post by ivan_gammel »

glenstein wrote: post #42
ivan_gammel wrote: post #33

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No. Your message is. A lot of people commit mortal sin of logical fallacy by extending the responsibility for actions of certain group of people to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion. It‘s the stupidity worth of the strongest condemnation given the context. It‘s not jews committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists. It‘s not muslims or Palestinians planning and executing terrorist attacks, it‘s religiou…

Their message didn't make any of the extrapolations that you're suggesting and I don't think that the post itself does that either.

The message is ambiguous. It can be interpreted the way I read it.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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mapt wrote: post #45
kharak wrote: post #28

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Echolocation based on audio from a cell phone video, with the reports echoing off flat walls in the area, establishes 3D troop movement during the massacre, and the eventual close-range executions. Including of the person whose cell phone it was. Eyewitness accounts may be dismissed for any number of biases by the motivated reasoner, but echoes are echoes.

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Post by appreciatorBus »

glenstein wrote: post #31
ycombinatrix wrote: post #23

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This is most certainly not something that is covered on TV news. Seems on topic to me.

I think it also touches on issues of interest to the hn crowd (it's being reported on a YC-incubated platform!), and one especially unique things about the reporting is the spatial reconstruction of the scene, which is not a degree of detail you typically get, and limits the number of variations of interpretations possible. I also think issues of censorship are very high on the list of topics of interest on HN and fe…

Israel and Palestine is one of the most obsessively covered topics in every form of western media. All the more the reason it doesn’t belong on HN. I’ll grant that there’s a tech angle to this specific story, but past experience with such articles on HN is that they reliably devolve into endless repetition of fixed talking points on each side. No useful information or opinion is conveyed, just endless insinuation and infective.

Furthermore, there are handful of accounts who sole purpose seems to be to pump the HN feed full of Israel and Palestine. People who want so badly to talk about a single political topic should probably go to Bluesky.

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Post by simonjanssen »

ycombinatrix wrote: post #52
mhb wrote: post #47

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I think the solution which will lead to the best quality of life for people in and around the levant is a single, secular state. Two states that are both ethnonationalist is unsustainable, and any single state which isn't secular can only be achieved through genocide. Freedom to practice whatever religion, seperation of church and state, and no apartheid for a certain group of people.

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Post by 1718627440 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #49
mothballed wrote: post #39

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But it's not all zionists committing war crimes in Gaza, it's the IDF. And it's not all IDF members, only some individuals. And its not all of those some individuals, only some of their brain and trigger finger. And it's not all the time, only some of the time. We mustn't generalize.

You are surprisingly right. I know people who served in IDF and would prefer to have nothing in common with those criminals. Generalizing to them would be wrong. It is not voluntary service, different people are required to serve. But people aside, is IDF as institution rotten? It is not generalization to say „yes“, when such things happen. An institution is an entity with the agency to prevent such things and not on…

There were people in the German army (Wehrmacht) who wanted to have nothing in common with those criminals. Some even tried to kill Hitler and get rid of the regime.
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