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IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

This is most certainly not something that is covered on TV news. Seems on topic to me.

I think it also touches on issues of interest to the hn crowd (it's being reported on a YC-incubated platform!), and one especially unique things about the reporting is the spatial reconstruction of the scene, which is not a degree of detail you typically get, and limits the number of variations of interpretations possible.

I also think issues of censorship are very high on the list of topics of interest on HN and few topics are subject to more extensive censorship than reporting on events in Israel and Palestine.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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why is this flagged ?

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No. Your message is. A lot of people commit mortal sin of logical fallacy by extending the responsibility for actions of certain group of people to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion. It‘s the stupidity worth of the strongest condemnation given the context.

It‘s not jews committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists. It‘s not muslims or Palestinians planning and executing terrorist attacks, it‘s religious extremists and far right nationalists. When there will be common understanding of this simple truth, fighting the root causes will be much easier.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Things are in terrible state in the world. Gaza exposed it even more: * No one accepts high western "morality" anymore * Most US politicians are blackmailed via Epstein who worked for Israel, with high probability, including Trump * ICE is just the beginning, they're trained by IDF, send more people and 1940 is not too far away from us

>Most US politicians are blackmailed via Epstein

??? Most? His network was certainly extensive but "most politicians" seems like a significantly overextended extrapolation.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Why was this flagged? Automatically / without review? This is a novel tech story, albeit one without a lot of technical detail.

https://www.earshot.ngo/what-we-do/audio-ballistics

https://forensic-architecture.org/

https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...

> Earshot used echolocation to analyze the audio on the recordings in order to arrive at precise estimates of the shooters’ locations. Echolocation is the process of locating the source of a sound based on an analysis of the sound’s echoes and the environment in which the sound travels. The Israeli military destroyed and cleared so many buildings in the Tel Al-Sultan area where the ambush of the aid workers took place that very few structures remained. This destruction actually strengthened Earshot’s ability to determine the positions and movements of Israeli soldiers, based on identifying the surfaces responsible for clearly distinguishable gunshot echoes. Rather than having multiple buildings reflecting the sound waves, there were only a few standing walls and the emergency vehicles themselves.

> “Earshot forensically analyzed over 900 gunshots fired at aid workers. It took one whole year of careful listening to reconstruct an auditory picture of what happened that dark night,” Lawrence Abu Hamdan, the director of Earshot, told Drop Site.

I'm not sure how much this was actually necessary to the eventual verdict if this is ever adjudicated, though, if "hiding the evidence" is a factor:

> Following the ambush, Israeli forces crushed all eight vehicles using heavy machinery and attempted to bury them under the sand.

> The body of Anwar al-Attar was found near the ambush site on March 27, and the bodies of the other 14 aid workers, all wearing identifying uniforms or volunteer vests of their respective organizations, were found in a mass grave near the site on March 30.

But the understanding that they were advanced upon in a walking wave of fire, and then the survivors were executed one by one at close range, may help.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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There's plenty of live footage of IDF forces targeting international aid workers and journalists. "fun" fact: more journalists died in the Gaza than in every conflict since ww2 combined.

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We have the loosest definition of "journalist" in history. Most of the journalists on the list worked for nobody in particular or for Hamas, Iran, the Palestinian Authority, or some other group like Hezbollah. By these standards, William Joyce would be a journalist.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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No. Your message is. A lot of people commit mortal sin of logical fallacy by extending the responsibility for actions of certain group of people to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion. It‘s the stupidity worth of the strongest condemnation given the context. It‘s not jews committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists. It‘s not muslims or Palestinians planning and executing terrorist attacks, it‘s religiou…

I think GP was making a joke - since zionists claim any anti-zionist behavior is anti-semitic.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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No. Your message is. A lot of people commit mortal sin of logical fallacy by extending the responsibility for actions of certain group of people to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion. It‘s the stupidity worth of the strongest condemnation given the context. It‘s not jews committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists. It‘s not muslims or Palestinians planning and executing terrorist attacks, it‘s religiou…

But it's not all zionists committing war crimes in Gaza, it's the IDF. And it's not all IDF members, only some individuals. And its not all of those some individuals, only some of their brain and trigger finger. And it's not all the time, only some of the time.

We mustn't generalize.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Your message is. A lot of people commit mortal sin of logical fallacy by extending the responsibility for actions of certain group of people to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion. It‘s the stupidity worth of the strongest condemnation given the context. It‘s not jews committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists. It‘s not muslims or Palestinians planning and executing terrorist attacks, it‘s religiou…

I think GP was making a joke - since zionists claim any anti-zionist behavior is anti-semitic.

Then I apologize without retraction.
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