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Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

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Re: Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

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To some extend I think people are putting way to much weight on his exact words, and not why he says them. Altman is a man who is quickly running out of lies, so now he starts slinging random arguments that can't stand up to even the briefest of scrutiny. OpenAI is burning cash and fuel. There are results, and they are, to some extend, impressive, but not impressive enough to justify the cost and Altman are no longer…

My understanding is that subscription based inference and API usage is now profitable.

Subscriptions are highly profitable for the typical chat user.

And API is overall net profitable.

What is extremely taxing to their finances is R&D, training and in particular development of frontier models.

My assessment is that when the music stops those who have the most subs will win.

Companies like Apple who had sat out the battle and built niche moats (privacy), and companies like OpenAI and Anthropic who have the market share will be fine.

In 6-12 months, nearly any lead they have will be eaten by distillation.

What will then happen is they will lose subscriptions to services which offer AI as a tack on like Gemini with Googles regular cloud subscriptions.

This will continue. Companies like Apple will have deep pockets to move on the businesses that go underwater and then can restart training in a much less congested market.

All this is assuming a relatively graceful collapse but that is what's likely given how aware everyone is that the bubble must pop.

Training costs will fall. Companies like Nvidia and other shovel businesses (i.e. selling GPUs and not using them) mostly have their revenue secured with funding from the present.

What I see as confirmations of this pattern is if we stop getting ground busting frontier models and then coast for 3-5 years when competition becomes more incremental.

This is an unpopular opinion, Will OpenAI go bust? No chance. Nor will Anthropic.

Re: Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

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Anthropic treating models like people is cringe and frankly just a PR stunt

Why? AI models were trained on the complete combined outputs and collective echos of billions of real human souls. They have a whole lot of humanity in them. If we can see the hidden humanity in a statue or a painting, why not an AI model that actually talks to us in humanly understandable terms?

Re: Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

#43
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I have a different perspective. You'll probably hate it. AI data centers should be operated according to two limiting factors. 1) No energy from grid. Can't use coal or fossil fuel energy sources. Must have plan to provide excess TO grid. 2) No use of fresh water from municipal or fresh groundwater for cooling. Can use waste water. Must transition to providing excess fresh water to common supply. No loopholes. Massiv…

There is no way that letting these clowns run nuclear power plants is a good idea. Also the percentage of land that is allowed to be used by datacenters should be limited. Let them set them up in deserts or something.

Re: Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I knew OpenAI was in trouble the instant they chose Altman over Ilya Sutskever.

> I knew OpenAI was in trouble the instant they chose Altman over Ilya Sutskever. I am not so sure: This decision rather tells something important about the priorities of the string-pullers behind the curtain: They clearly want(ed) to monetize what is there, with the risk that only smaller improvements for the AI models will happen from OpenAI, and thus OpenAI might get outcompeted by competitors who are capable of b…

Yes I agree. Altman was the rational choice if you realise that eventually the huge R&D bill will need to stop for atleast a moderate period (You want to ride that out before capitalising on the eventual cheaper training costs once the rug has been pulled.

Altman has already succeeded here as it seems inference for API and chat is profitable but offset with massive R&D costs.

Re: Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

#45
post #26

I have a different perspective. You'll probably hate it. AI data centers should be operated according to two limiting factors. 1) No energy from grid. Can't use coal or fossil fuel energy sources. Must have plan to provide excess TO grid. 2) No use of fresh water from municipal or fresh groundwater for cooling. Can use waste water. Must transition to providing excess fresh water to common supply. No loopholes. Massiv…

That would be great if there weren't the easy arguments that "if we don't build it bigger, China will", "it's for national security", etc. Far from forcing regulation on them, they're reaping windfalls of deregulation. To build a thing which is far from convincingly beneficial to national security or society.

> if we don't build it bigger, China will

ja, und?

Re: Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

#46
post #26

I have a different perspective. You'll probably hate it. AI data centers should be operated according to two limiting factors. 1) No energy from grid. Can't use coal or fossil fuel energy sources. Must have plan to provide excess TO grid. 2) No use of fresh water from municipal or fresh groundwater for cooling. Can use waste water. Must transition to providing excess fresh water to common supply. No loopholes. Massiv…

I’m gonna buy me some DRAM wafers for now. No one else done that before. It’s innovative.

Re: Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

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Shit like that makes me cringe. Muh food. Already I know what kind of shallow life the author leads, one full of inessential frippery, whose discussions over dinner or drink never orbit anything actually substantial.

What shall we decide on the important matters of eating or drinking tonight fellow humans???

At this point I'm rooting for the AI models.

Re: Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

#48
post #9

To some extend I think people are putting way to much weight on his exact words, and not why he says them. Altman is a man who is quickly running out of lies, so now he starts slinging random arguments that can't stand up to even the briefest of scrutiny. OpenAI is burning cash and fuel. There are results, and they are, to some extend, impressive, but not impressive enough to justify the cost and Altman are no longer…

My understanding is that subscription based inference and API usage is now profitable. Subscriptions are highly profitable for the typical chat user. And API is overall net profitable. What is extremely taxing to their finances is R&D, training and in particular development of frontier models. My assessment is that when the music stops those who have the most subs will win. Companies like Apple who had sat out the ba…

I'm a bit of an Apple optimist for this exact reason. I think the moat is collapsing, and Apple is best positioned to dispatch their own models in a year on their own widely sold consumer hardware, unless someone has a breakthrough which they can't replicate. Which I don't anticipate.

I'm not really sure what OpenAI's moat is. Anthropic has a chance being so widely accepted by developers, and being a bit better at developing models when it comes to code.

Re: Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

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Well, this is the proposition the field of AI was founded on, that intelligence can be replicated by machines, it's not Sam Altman who "lost his grip". I know there are people in this world who believe humans are somehow special and non-materialist and non-replicable (it's a basic tenet of most religions), but this person doesn't advance or reference a single argument. The article is not very intellectually honest.

Re: Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity

#50
post #26

I have a different perspective. You'll probably hate it. AI data centers should be operated according to two limiting factors. 1) No energy from grid. Can't use coal or fossil fuel energy sources. Must have plan to provide excess TO grid. 2) No use of fresh water from municipal or fresh groundwater for cooling. Can use waste water. Must transition to providing excess fresh water to common supply. No loopholes. Massiv…

I don't hate it, but I suspect that incentives this would generate would not end up producing results that strictly align with the ones you envision and desire.

For one thing, you're essentially mandating data centers to be colocated with power plants and waste water treatment plants, instead of these things each being located independently according to the requirements of their different functions. If that really leads to "ridiculously high reward", why isn't it being done already?

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