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‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Post by vintermann »

henrikschroder wrote: post #169
vintermann wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the hell is that so important to you? I'm personally a lot more annoyed with faux "Norwegian" paraphernalia (a lot of which I see every day, because I live in a tourist town which wants to sell them what they want) than what people call themselves.

Because it encourages the weird cosplayers, who will then claim to be "more Italian than the Italians", which is complete nonsense. Because it's weird fetishisation of European cultures that are both seen as superior to American culture, but also at the same time as inferior. Because it's rooted in weird beliefs in blood magic; that DNA somehow confers culture.

No, the word people use to describe themselves does none of these things. It's just a word.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Post by vintermann »

henrikschroder wrote: post #170
vintermann wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not Americans doing these things. I've met plenty of Europeans with exotic identity claims, romanticizing some past culture instead of the living culture around them - Viking metal rather than folk music, to put it like that (there are also of course responsible ways to enjoy exotic metal genres). By making it into Americans vs. Europeans you're doing a bit of what you're criticizing yourself. Yeah sure, we all…

> that sweet old lady from Minnesota who's done rose painting (a national romantic fad around the time her ancestors immigrated) for 20 years is part of a living culture, which isn't simply "American" I 100% agree with you. Men hun er faen meg heller ikke norsk.

Hvis hun ser på seg selv som norsk, så har ikke jeg noe problem med det.

If she sees herself has Norwegian, I have no problem with that.

We should let people identify with whatever they want. Identity is deeply personal - that's kind of the whole thing with identity - and as long as you don't use your identity to argue for something that's objectively wrong (such as rewriting history to suit it) then it's fine. If someone wants to identify as the same kind of thing as me, I may be flattered or embarrassed or worst case offended, but let's go for the facts, not with the identity.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Post by donkeybeer »

cess11 wrote: post #22
givemeethekeys wrote: post #14

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> rather than Scandinavian Strange, being in North America, I've yet to meet anyone identify themself as having viking blood, but we refer to Scandinavians as being of viking ancestry all the time.

It's common among usian nazis of the David Lane strain, and on Facebook you can find quite a lot of "viking" groups mainly populated by usian dinguses, some of whom claim some scandinavian ancestor or other.

Also funny things in black metal like American bands using german names, and yes often overlaps with white power stuff too. Norwegian or Swedish I can understand, a bit, as that was a key wave of black metal, but think what if a band that loved brazilian bm usee Portugese names (I do remember a band using spanish even though its members weren't latino but it does sound odd doesn't it?)

And the funnier thing is, among all thr cultural roots of white or other people, these bm bands it's always German if you know what I mean.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Post by donkeybeer »

StevePerkins wrote: post #99
efskap wrote: post #9

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1. People yearn for identity labels. It's a core part of human existance. 2. "White" and "American" are problematic identity labels. People therefore often reach back toward European ancestry (real or supposed), for identity labels that are less controversial. 3. The average person isn't aware (or concerned) that "Viking" isn't strictly an ethnicity. Because it's nevertheless a commonly used identity label. Not every…

What is problematic about simply "American"?

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Post by cess11 »

donkeybeer wrote: post #173
cess11 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's common among usian nazis of the David Lane strain, and on Facebook you can find quite a lot of "viking" groups mainly populated by usian dinguses, some of whom claim some scandinavian ancestor or other.

Also funny things in black metal like American bands using german names, and yes often overlaps with white power stuff too. Norwegian or Swedish I can understand, a bit, as that was a key wave of black metal, but think what if a band that loved brazilian bm usee Portugese names (I do remember a band using spanish even though its members weren't latino but it does sound odd doesn't it?) And the funnier thing is, among…

Athros of quebecois black metal fame as a member of Forteresse also thought that was weird, he dropped out of Blutskrieg due to their overt nazism and perhaps even their use of english, to instead make a bit of a career out of french separatism.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Post by shevy-java »

So who are vikings?

I think the two most common answers are "people before in Denmark" or "people before in Norway". There may not be an easy distinction here the more we step back into history, but personally I am leaning more towards the "old danes". It just seems to fit more.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Post by pamcake »

shevy-java wrote: post #176

So who are vikings? I think the two most common answers are "people before in Denmark" or "people before in Norway". There may not be an easy distinction here the more we step back into history, but personally I am leaning more towards the "old danes". It just seems to fit more.

That's a misconception TFA is talking about.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Post by bazoom42 »

shevy-java wrote: post #176

So who are vikings? I think the two most common answers are "people before in Denmark" or "people before in Norway". There may not be an easy distinction here the more we step back into history, but personally I am leaning more towards the "old danes". It just seems to fit more.

No, vikingr is an old norse word meaning pirate, raider, or outlaw. Not everyone in the Nordics were vikings, just like not ever American were a cowboy.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

pamcake wrote: post #177
shevy-java wrote: post #176

So who are vikings? I think the two most common answers are "people before in Denmark" or "people before in Norway". There may not be an easy distinction here the more we step back into history, but personally I am leaning more towards the "old danes". It just seems to fit more.

That's a misconception TFA is talking about.

"Farming is hard, let's go viking"

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Post by lostlogin »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #179
pamcake wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a misconception TFA is talking about.

"Farming is hard, let's go viking"

Farming in Scandinavia has got to be harder than farming somewhere further south.

Maybe the climate and landscape turned them Viking?

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