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Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by godelski »

themafia wrote: post #60
altairprime wrote: post #34

Ironically, I bet that a significant majority of the users that turn on the AI kill switch — which must have some kind of phone-home telematics attached — will also be users who have disabled Firefox metrics collection and so will not have their opinion counted. So, the most effective path here for y’all to be heard is not flipping the switch off yourself (do so anyways!) — anyone who cares at this stage has probably…

> will also be users who have disabled Firefox metrics collection and so will not have their opinion counted. Gee. If only there was a way to collect users opinions on things. Welp.. guess we have to live with subtly spying on everything they do with our software.

Most people aren't vocal.

Most people who are vocal aren't representative of users.

Many vocal people aren't even users.

Don't get me wrong, I turn off telemetry, but you're acting like it's easy to get that information. You act like people don't scream when Firefox prompts people with surveys. You act like there isn't bias in survey takers.

If you just pretend everything is easy we'll just end up reinventing the same evils we're trying to fight today. Unfortunately most evils are created from good intentions. I hear there's an entire road paved that way

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by ddxv »

Where are the AI features in Firefox? Looking around right now the only one I see is right click tab -> Summarize page (NEW). I googled a bit and see they have some grouping of tabs feature I've never used/seen (or want). The only other maybe AI feature I remember seeing is the odd left hand bar that is there on fresh installs and I usually remove to declutter.

Are those the features this kill switch removes or was there a deeper issue here?

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by sigmoid10 »

themafia wrote: post #60
altairprime wrote: post #34

Ironically, I bet that a significant majority of the users that turn on the AI kill switch — which must have some kind of phone-home telematics attached — will also be users who have disabled Firefox metrics collection and so will not have their opinion counted. So, the most effective path here for y’all to be heard is not flipping the switch off yourself (do so anyways!) — anyone who cares at this stage has probably…

> will also be users who have disabled Firefox metrics collection and so will not have their opinion counted. Gee. If only there was a way to collect users opinions on things. Welp.. guess we have to live with subtly spying on everything they do with our software.

I think at this point they know all these opinions pretty well, but they simply don't care or see better growth options by targeting users who don't belong to that particular bubble. They see OpenAI approaching the same active user counts as Facebook and they want a slice of that pie. And the majority of that pie is non-techies.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Kuinox wrote: post #93
ori_b wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until very recently, on device translation was not marketed as AI.

Yet translation was the main application for applied language machine learning.

When would've thought that to solve natural language translation, one would first need to solve... natural language.

All those arguments about agents and hallucinations kind of distracted people from noticing we've accodentally built a universal translator.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

#106

Post by jahsome »

throwmeoutplzdo wrote: post #97
jahsome wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was being sincere, my friend. I genuinely envy that worldview. I long for it. I wish above nearly all else I could reset. I was being authentic and vulnerable. Why does that infuriate you? Read your statement again and tell me who the pessimist is, and who is most in need of a break from the internet.

The legal structures that mandate what power google actually has over mozilla still presumably exist though. Pretending that we are in full blown dictatorship is, in my view, still cynical. Though of course there’s no telling how far we will eventually go in a trumpworld.

> Pretending that we are in full blown dictatorship is, in my view, still cynical.

Could you please point to what I said that implies I'm pretending a "full blown dictatorship?" I apologize if that's somehow what I indicated. It certainly wasn't my intent.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

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Post by bartvk »

godelski wrote: post #84

Firefox does what some people want, people complain. Firefox does what other people want, people complain. Firefox does what both people want, people complain. I'm sorry, but we'll never get corporations to do what we want if we don't throw them the smallest bone when we get our way. You need positive reinforcement too, not just negative. If it's all negative they just stop caring and you get companies lot Google who…

Nowadays, I avoid certain topics. For instance any post about macOS becomes one giant complaint.

Thanks for staying positive. I like Firefox, I think it's a very nice holdout against adware.

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

#108

Post by bartvk »

aquir wrote: post #10

I don't know...at one point I got off Firefox because it was slow and I was never able to get back to it ever again. Maybe I should try now?

Why do you actually ask? Switching browsers has got to be one of the easiest software to switch, right?

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

#109

Post by Zardoz84 »

bpavuk wrote: post #35

last time when I updated Firefox, the package manager began building ONNX Runtime from source, which my "minuscule" 16GB of RAM couldn't handle. I want that during install time, as I don't like the idea of rebuilding ONNX every time Firefox updates, period.

Gentoo ?

Re: Firefox 148 Launches with AI Kill Switch Feature and More Enhancements

#110

Post by jahsome »

debugnik wrote: post #100
jahsome wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain how openly admiring someone's idealism is of "low quality"?

Admiring? You mean your backhanded remark followed by > Read your statement again and tell me who the pessimist is, and who is most in need of a break from the internet. And that was to them replying to your first backhanded remark.

There was absolutely nothing backhanded about anything I said. I regret if it came across that way.

I wish you'd have elaborated on specifics and actually tried to understand, rather than telling me what I believe. I can see now you just want to be angry at someone, and I'm no longer interested in engaging with you. In any case, I'm genuinely sorry for whatever I've done to activate you, and I wish you well.

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