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A simple web we own

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Re: A simple web we own

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Post by dpc_01234 »

It's easier than ever to build p2p software. E.g. You can use Pkarr as a distributed identity system, and Iroh for reliable p2p connectivity.

There's no point in messing with custom hardware, etc. We could host bunch of redundant p2p access points for everyone, and use p2p portable software for everything.

E.g. I'm building a P2P/F2F Social Media protocol that is very close to syndication platform. https://app.radicle.xyz/nodes/radicle.dpc.pw/rad:zzK566qFsZn... . I'm not saying that it's exactly the same thing as author is looking for, but the technical bits and even functionality are very close.

Re: A simple web we own

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Post by WD-42 »

xg15 wrote: post #96
beders wrote: post #72

As someone who is roughly in the same age group as the author and who was running a BBS, has witnessed the rise of IP4 networks, HTTP, Mosaic etc. let me provide a counter-point. The democratization ends at your router. Unless you are willing to lay down your own wires - which for legal reasons you most likely won't be able to do, we will hopelessly be dependent on the ISP. (Radio on free frequencies is possible and…

> The large networks, trans-atlantic, trans-pacific cables, all that stuff is beyond the control of individuals and even countries. If they don't like your HTTP(S) traffic, the rest of the world won't see it. Not really having a plan here, so if nothing else this is out of curiosity, but I'd like to know who is actually owning that stuff. For something that seems so ubiquitous and familiar like the internet, it would…

There is a transpacific cable landing in my town. Large unmarked building, seems lightly staffed judging by the parking lot.

It’s Verizon.

Re: A simple web we own

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Post by ericd »

amarant wrote: post #33
jejeyyy77 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if only we all had a little device that was always on and and connected….

If I'm reading the implication right, you're having a pretty terrible idea. Glossing over what running a server would do to your battery, it would never work because of the routing issues you'll run into. With IPv6 it would theoretically be possible, but currently with ipv4 and NATs everywhere, your website would almost never be reachable, even with fancy workarounds like dynDNS

Heh could also be your router?

Re: A simple web we own

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Post by nine_k »

ryandrake wrote: post #128
nine_k wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very right. There are two obstacles. (1) Security. An always-on, externally accessible device will always be a target for breaking in. You want the device to be bulletproof, and to have defense in depth, so that breaking into one service does not affect anything else. Something like Proxmox that works on low-end hardware and is as easy to administer as a mobile phone would do. We are somehow far from this yet…

> Connectivity providers should allow that. Most home routers don't get a static IP, or even a globally routable IPv4 at all. Or even a stable IPv6. At least we still have DDNS which solves the static IP problem. I've been using it for at least 10-15 years and my home network has always been resolvable over DNS. I guess I'm lucky that I've always had an ISP that handed out publicly routable IPv4 addresses. I think if…

IPv6-only ISPs exist; one of them is T-Mobile. I used it as my main ISP for several months, and it worked pretty well.

Re: A simple web we own

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Post by tvink »

shevy-java wrote: post #75
beders wrote: post #72

As someone who is roughly in the same age group as the author and who was running a BBS, has witnessed the rise of IP4 networks, HTTP, Mosaic etc. let me provide a counter-point. The democratization ends at your router. Unless you are willing to lay down your own wires - which for legal reasons you most likely won't be able to do, we will hopelessly be dependent on the ISP. (Radio on free frequencies is possible and…

> In short: there's no hope of getting a world-wide, free, uncensored, unlimited IP4/6 network back. We never had it in the first place. We can build such a society. I am not sure why you think this is never possible. People can work for a better world. That sometimes works, too.

Honestly if we could have we would have, we can't even tax the people destroying our world, how are we going to create utopia

Re: A simple web we own

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Post by ArchieScrivener »

beders wrote: post #72

As someone who is roughly in the same age group as the author and who was running a BBS, has witnessed the rise of IP4 networks, HTTP, Mosaic etc. let me provide a counter-point. The democratization ends at your router. Unless you are willing to lay down your own wires - which for legal reasons you most likely won't be able to do, we will hopelessly be dependent on the ISP. (Radio on free frequencies is possible and…

What about Jack's latest Bitchat? Seems free of ISP control.

Re: A simple web we own

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Post by EQmWgw87pw »

ArchieScrivener wrote: post #147
beders wrote: post #72

As someone who is roughly in the same age group as the author and who was running a BBS, has witnessed the rise of IP4 networks, HTTP, Mosaic etc. let me provide a counter-point. The democratization ends at your router. Unless you are willing to lay down your own wires - which for legal reasons you most likely won't be able to do, we will hopelessly be dependent on the ISP. (Radio on free frequencies is possible and…

What about Jack's latest Bitchat? Seems free of ISP control.

It’s vibe coded and doesn’t really work for now

Re: A simple web we own

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Post by EQmWgw87pw »

txrx0000 wrote: post #123
beders wrote: post #72

As someone who is roughly in the same age group as the author and who was running a BBS, has witnessed the rise of IP4 networks, HTTP, Mosaic etc. let me provide a counter-point. The democratization ends at your router. Unless you are willing to lay down your own wires - which for legal reasons you most likely won't be able to do, we will hopelessly be dependent on the ISP. (Radio on free frequencies is possible and…

There is hope. It's not only possible, but it is likely and is already underway. DNS can be replaced. IPv4/v6 can be replaced. We just need to build a layer on top that ignores the access controls of the underlying layer (the Internet), then replace the underlying layer altogether with new infrastructure. There will be more efforts like this: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io Those who want control over other peopl…

First step to have a protocol that depends on mass adoption to be useful: choose an unpronounceable name

Re: A simple web we own

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Post by EQmWgw87pw »

beders wrote: post #72

As someone who is roughly in the same age group as the author and who was running a BBS, has witnessed the rise of IP4 networks, HTTP, Mosaic etc. let me provide a counter-point. The democratization ends at your router. Unless you are willing to lay down your own wires - which for legal reasons you most likely won't be able to do, we will hopelessly be dependent on the ISP. (Radio on free frequencies is possible and…

Instead of thinking about cables, have we considered the idea of satellites getting cheap enough to launch?
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