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Re: Show HN: Steerling-8B, a language model that can explain any token it generates

#5
Maybe I’m not creative enough to see the potential, but what value does this bring ?

Given the example I saw about CRISPR, what does this model give over a different, non explaining model in the output ? Does it really make me more confident in the output if I know the data came from Arxiv or Wikipedia ?

I find the LLM outputs are subtlety wrong not obviously wrong

Re: Show HN: Steerling-8B, a language model that can explain any token it generates

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Maybe I’m not creative enough to see the potential, but what value does this bring ? Given the example I saw about CRISPR, what does this model give over a different, non explaining model in the output ? Does it really make me more confident in the output if I know the data came from Arxiv or Wikipedia ? I find the LLM outputs are subtlety wrong not obviously wrong

It makes the black box slightly more transparent. Knowing more in this regard allows us to be more precise—you go from prompt tweak witchcraft and divination to more of possible science and precise method.

Re: Show HN: Steerling-8B, a language model that can explain any token it generates

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Maybe I’m not creative enough to see the potential, but what value does this bring ? Given the example I saw about CRISPR, what does this model give over a different, non explaining model in the output ? Does it really make me more confident in the output if I know the data came from Arxiv or Wikipedia ? I find the LLM outputs are subtlety wrong not obviously wrong

It makes the black box slightly more transparent. Knowing more in this regard allows us to be more precise—you go from prompt tweak witchcraft and divination to more of possible science and precise method.

Can this method be extended to go down to the sentence level ?

In the example it shows how much of the reason for an answer is due to data from Wikipedia. Can it drill down to show paragraph or sentence level that influences the answer ?

Re: Show HN: Steerling-8B, a language model that can explain any token it generates

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Is there a reason people don't use SHAP [1] to interpret language models more often? The in-context attribution of outputs seems very similar. [1] https://shap.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

SHAP would be absurdly expensive to do for even tiny models (naive SHAP scales exponentially in the number of parameters; you can sample your coalitions to do better but those samples are going to be ridiculously sparse when you're talking about billions of parameters) and provides very little explanatory power for deep neural nets.

SHAP basically does point by point ablation across all possible subsets, which really doesn't make sense for LLMs. This is simultaneously too specific and too general.

It's too specific because interesting LLM behavior often requires talking about what ensembles of neurons do (e.g. "circuits" if you're of the mechanistic interpretability bent), and SHAP's parameter-by-parameter approach is completely incapable of explaining this. This is exacerbated by the other that not all neurons are "semantically equal" in a deep network. Neurons in the deeper layers often do qualitatively different things than earlier layers and the ways they compose can completely confuse SHAP.

It's too general because parameters often play many roles at once (one specific hypothesis here is the superposition hypothesis) and so you need some way of splitting up a single parameter into interpretable parts that SHAP doesn't do.

I don't know the specifics of what this particular model's approach is.

But SHAP unfortunately does not work for LLMs at all.

Re: Show HN: Steerling-8B, a language model that can explain any token it generates

#9
Most interpretability methods fail for LLMs because they try to explain outputs without modeling the intent, constraints, or internal structure that produced them. Token‑level attribution is useful, but without a framework for how the model reasons, you’re still explaining shadows on the wall.

Re: Show HN: Steerling-8B, a language model that can explain any token it generates

#10
It's a neat party trick, but explainability it's not solution to any AI safety issue I care about. It's a distraction from real problems, which is everything else around the model. The inflexible bureaucratic systems that make it hard to exercise rights and deflect accountability.
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