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Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by ceejayoz »

polski-g wrote: post #287
ceejayoz wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there is no real penalty for being a career criminal, people will continue to be career criminals. I know this is a wild idea, but what if they had better options than career criminal for a living? Americans are so invested in the penalties they can’t imagine the incentives approach.

The average drug dealer makes less than minimum wage. People commit crimes because they enjoy doing it, not because they need to. We know this because we have survey data on convicted criminals.

> The average drug dealer makes less than minimum wage.

The average drug dealer struggles to keep a minimum wage job.

> We know this because we have survey data on convicted criminals.

We know otherwise because the US isn't the only country in the world, and places that focus on rehabilitation and job training have dramatically lower recidivism rates.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by sagarm »

polski-g wrote: post #286
odie5533 wrote: post #115

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We spend $80 billion a year on incarceration in the US, and have the highest incarceration rate in the world. Your plan increases both. Do you honestly think that if we spend $160 billion or $240 billion a year and double or triple our incarcerated population that we'd solve crime? Look at places and countries with low crime. They don't have the most Flock cameras, the most prisoners, or the most powerful surveillanc…

I was at work the other day and we were talking about my mouse problem in my basement. My coworker asked how many mouse traps I had. I said 74. 74?! That's way to many mouse traps. No one would ever need that many mouse traps. But sir, I haven't told you how many mice I have. The number of incarcerated individuals is not a relevant statistic if you're also not including the number of criminals there are.

But why is criminality higher in the US?

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Post by defrost »

foxglacier wrote: post #284
odie5533 wrote: post #245

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Ghana has a murder rate of 1.84 and incarceration rate of 133 per 100k. It didn't get this stable by buying Flock cameras. They have nowhere near the surveillance of the U.S. And they have far fewer murders, far less violent crime, and far fewer incarcerations. If only the prosecutors had more evidence then it could be more like the U.S.!? Woodmore, Maryland is 82% black. Chance of being a victim of a violent crime i…

OK to Ghana. Woodmore is a gated community so obviously it has an unrepresentative population.

Also Sierra Leone in Africa with a homicide rate a third that of the USofA.

Both Ghana and Sierra Leone are gated communities, just as the USofA, the UK, and Australia are.

I'd suggest that Woodmore fails to meet you particular bias, hence you rule it out.

Woodmore likely meets your four intended criteria depending upon the level of internal surveillance .. I suspect it's not surveillance that prevents Woodmore occupants from killing each other.

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Post by Aeglaecia »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #283
toxik wrote: post #125

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Don't jail criminals because maybe they're young, that's your argument? Sounds like a something that's already part of the sentencing policy, leniency of first time offenders.

I was tipsy when I typed that out, tbh. But yeah, there’s a strong case to be made that jailing youth while simultaneously divesting in their communities causes a pretty significant hollowing out and sense of hopelessness. The reason I brought up youth is because, unsurprisingly, most violent crime is performed by people who don’t have a fully-formed prefrontal cortex. Feelings of invincibility and a sense of not hav…

oh so you did have a point , why didn't you just say so ! do you have any hard evidence to back you assertion that the majority of recidivism occurs in minors ? coz that would definitely make for a better discussion than calling each other names

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

asacrowflies wrote: post #285
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #276

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What was it about? By the time the Democrats were crowing that he was a felon, no one eve remembered. Did Trump see or sign this paperwork? Didn't much matter to anyone. If he saw it or signed it, would he have known what it was? Did he read it first? Probably not. With a tiny little wall of text, you might even manage to tell me why you think the paperwork was so horrible that he should be in prison for it, I suppos…

To answer the question you avoided. The "paperwork" was classified materials that make the Hillary's emails outrage of magats look like nothing at all in comparison.

No. The so-called 34 felonies were about "falsifying business records". So you don't even know, that figures. You should've left room for being able to claim I'm wrong with a snarky non-answer.

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Post by asacrowflies »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #295
asacrowflies wrote: post #285

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To answer the question you avoided. The "paperwork" was classified materials that make the Hillary's emails outrage of magats look like nothing at all in comparison.

No. The so-called 34 felonies were about "falsifying business records". So you don't even know, that figures. You should've left room for being able to claim I'm wrong with a snarky non-answer.

You lie thru your teeth. Trump is far more guilty of mishandling classified material than let's say Hillary Clinton .... And in his own words. She belongs in prison. What does trump deserve then?

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Post by asacrowflies »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #295
asacrowflies wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To answer the question you avoided. The "paperwork" was classified materials that make the Hillary's emails outrage of magats look like nothing at all in comparison.

No. The so-called 34 felonies were about "falsifying business records". So you don't even know, that figures. You should've left room for being able to claim I'm wrong with a snarky non-answer.

In June 2023, a federal grand jury indicted Trump on 37 counts, including violating the Espionage Act, false statements, and obstruction, regarding documents kept at Mar-a-Lago.

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Post by Bender »

cromka wrote: post #281
culi wrote: post #117

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Or use a powerful enough laser pointer. Bonus points if you use infrared since other humans can't see the beam and won't know what you're up to. Though you either need a laser powerful enough to harm human eyes or lots of patience. Hong Kong protesters innovated a lot of these sort of resistance using lasers

> Bonus points if you use infrared since other humans can't see the beam But how would you see it? IR goggles?

IR camera but if the beam is powerful enough it could in theory use a few bursts in rapid succession from a roof mount on a generic looking vehicle with the plates covered. Not suggesting anyone try such things but the camera is not guaranteed to catch the location of the busts.

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Post by Bender »

camillomiller wrote: post #146
grensley wrote: post #39

Here's a list of Flock's investors: - Andreessen Horowitz - Greenoaks Capital - Bedrock Capital - Meritech Capital - Matrix Partners - Sands Capital - Founders Fund - Kleiner Perkins - Tiger Global - Y Combinator

Pretty clear already that Ycombinator runs this very site as a community fueled decoy for their actual values (or complete lack thereof).

More like a crowd-sources think-tank and SEO magnet.

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Post by 0x1ch »

cromka wrote: post #281
culi wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or use a powerful enough laser pointer. Bonus points if you use infrared since other humans can't see the beam and won't know what you're up to. Though you either need a laser powerful enough to harm human eyes or lots of patience. Hong Kong protesters innovated a lot of these sort of resistance using lasers

> Bonus points if you use infrared since other humans can't see the beam But how would you see it? IR goggles?

Any cheap camera with the IR filter removed from the lens. Some better than others.
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