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‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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I don't think I've ever heard anyone IRL say they have viking ancestors. Yearning for Valhalla is more a specific type of extremely online poster / podcast bro / FBI director kind of behavior.

Would wearing a haircut from that dreadful viking TV show and a Thor hammer necklace count? I’ve seen quite a meme-worthy characters over the years

There was that one Indian guy who hit the gym, bleached his skin and hair and now does a pretty credible Viking impression.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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The first part of the word viking, or vik simply means "bay" in nordic languages

The even firster part "vi" means "we" though.

webay hmm. they started a trend

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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Would wearing a haircut from that dreadful viking TV show and a Thor hammer necklace count? I’ve seen quite a meme-worthy characters over the years

There was that one Indian guy who hit the gym, bleached his skin and hair and now does a pretty credible Viking impression.

Crazy what people will do for a government pension

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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It is linguistically possible that "viking" was simply a self-referential ethnonym, with the first part meaning "home" or "village". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-Eur... Compare Ancient Greek [w]oikos, and all the various ves, vas, wieś, which can be found all over Eastern Europe.

I don’t speak old norse but I speak Icelandic natively. Víkingur simply means Bay-er, that is somebody from a bay. As an Icelander living in America I experience the English word “viking” as an Exonym for my identity. In Iceland we use “Nordic” or “Scandinavian”, both terms are inclusive of Finns, Sámi, and Greenlanders, so strictly speaking this is not an Enthnonym.

In Icelandic, at least to my knowledge, we have never used Víkingur as an ethnonym (well maybe during a sports game, or among right-wing nationalists). It has always meant raiders. In 2007 there was even a new word dubbed Útrásarvíkingar meaning businessmen who made a bunch of money doing business abroad (buykings would a clever translation of the term).

EDIT: I just remembered that the -ingur suffix can also be used to indicate a temporary state e.g. ruglingur (confusion) and troðningur (trampling [n.]), and was used as such e.g. að fara í víking (to embark to a viking) so víkingur could also mean, a person that embarks to a bay.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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> rather than Scandinavian Strange, being in North America, I've yet to meet anyone identify themself as having viking blood, but we refer to Scandinavians as being of viking ancestry all the time.

pretty common on twitter, esp these days where there is strong anglo-saxon white nationalism crowd

they do romanticize their ancient past as one of conquest and domination over others.

btw, even without the viking aspect, norse law was pretty strange in that it allowed murder for a fine. there is definitely a savage aspect to white tradition as there is to any modern culture, but there is a lot of whitewashing thats done to present anglo saxons as racially superior, highly civilized culture.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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The first part of the word viking, or vik simply means "bay" in nordic languages

The even firster part "vi" means "we" though.

I don’t think -kingur is a suffix in old norse. It is not a suffix in modern Icelandic, and I can’t think of any suffix like that.

In fact I don‘t remember a suffix which attaches to a pronoun. In modern Icelandic at least we like to introduce more pronouns or conjugate them rather then to suffix or prefix them.

If the word was broken as vi-kingur, I think the modern Icelandic would be við-kingur (or við-lingur), which is simply not a word in the language.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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> It's so bizarre to me when North Americans proudly claim "Viking ancestry", rather than Scandinavian.

Where did you hear it? I am sure at least one out of hundreds of millions of Americans claimed it. But you know, we have people who think the earth is flat, as well. But by that token one can take any dumb thing someone from a large group said and sort of say “why do all X say this one dumb thing”

At least from my experience I only heard people claim Scandinavian ancestry. Or even more specifically a country like Norway or Sweden for example. Places like Minnesota or Wisconsin have a lot of that.

Re: ‘Viking’ was a job, not a matter of heredity: ancient DNA study (2020)

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The answer is - it's both. There's also parallels in archers in Europe from the longbow period: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow#Training You can tell who was a professional archer by looking at their skeleton, and so naturally families who had bodies with more readily adaptable skeletons typically became archers. This married the morphology of an archer to social status and family line.

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