I'd be more apt to believe this if the mass layoffs and outsourcing hadn't started long before any "scrutiny" of H1B.
Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
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Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#22We warned everyone that this would happen [0] but HN fell for the populism trap. And no one on the Hill will do anything to impact services exports, especially for voters who work in maligned industries like Tech [1], Big Oil [2], and Wall Street [3] that are overwhelmingly concentrated in single party states like California, Washington, Texas, and New York and as such can't swing elections the same way an Autoworker…
I love how this is always framed as a "pipeline and talent" problem issue (its not), when it's really a "pipeline and talent at salaries I want to pay" issue.
Every economic decisions has that "at the price I want" caveat at the end of it?
There's no housing shortage, just a shortage of house at the right place and price. Different places have the right price, the right places don't have the right prices.
There's no job shortage, just a shortage of jobs that pay what I want and am qualified for.
Shortages happen in controlled economies, capitalism just adjusts prices.
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#23> If tech talent can’t come to the U.S., American companies will go where the talent is. LOL! They're going to send the jobs where the wages are cheaper, and that's exactly what they're doing. IIRC, my employer stopped offering new H1-B sponsorships in most cases, after they opened an office in India (10+ years ago). They didn't open the office because they had a hard time hiring in the US. They opened it because the…
The language people use is funny. When companies offshore skilled factory jobs to foreign countries, they call that "offshoring." But when it comes to programmers, they call it "going where the talent is." They act like programmers are in a different class than machinists.
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, we know. I wish guys like you could just be honest and admit its really just about trying to save on labor costs rather than trying to frame this issue like there's some massive lack of skilled domestic engineering talent here.
It is talent though. You can't write a performant Linux runtime agent such as what Wiz did without knowing eBPF, which requires also understanding Linux internals, which requires an OS background. Why should I spend $150k training someone who has no experience from scratch for 1 year? A lot of table stakes curricula has been made optional.
I have a master's degree and make more than that but still can't write a performant Linux runtime agent, will you pay and train me?
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#25This is a complete lie, they have been exporting jobs for a very long time.
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, we know. I wish guys like you could just be honest and admit its really just about trying to save on labor costs rather than trying to frame this issue like there's some massive lack of skilled domestic engineering talent here.
It is talent though. You can't write a performant Linux runtime agent such as what Wiz did without knowing eBPF, which requires also understanding Linux internals, which requires an OS background. Why should I spend $150k training someone who has no experience from scratch for 1 year? A lot of table stakes curricula has been made optional.
There are plenty of domestic candidates that have those skills and backgrounds.
You would just rather find offshore candidates and pay them less, rather than paying domestic salaries.
Which, ok, fair enough, but at least own it instead of fabricating some "pipeline shortage" to justify trying to save a buck on labor costs.
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, we know. I wish guys like you could just be honest and admit its really just about trying to save on labor costs rather than trying to frame this issue like there's some massive lack of skilled domestic engineering talent here.
It is talent though. You can't write a performant Linux runtime agent such as what Wiz did without knowing eBPF, which requires also understanding Linux internals, which requires an OS background. Why should I spend $150k training someone who has no experience from scratch for 1 year? A lot of table stakes curricula has been made optional.
I think a better question is why is a person like you in a position to be paying anyone anything close to $150k?
Every time I read stuff like this on HN I think to myself "Man the downfall of SV can't come soon enough."
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#28> If tech talent can’t come to the U.S., American companies will go where the talent is. LOL! They're going to send the jobs where the wages are cheaper, and that's exactly what they're doing. IIRC, my employer stopped offering new H1-B sponsorships in most cases, after they opened an office in India (10+ years ago). They didn't open the office because they had a hard time hiring in the US. They opened it because the…
I worked at Google for years. We simply hired as many people as we could find who could get through the process.
If they were outside the US we would try to get them here. If not, we would find a spot for them outside. We would never hire a less qualified person simply because they could work in the US. We were always behind, to the point that having open “headcount” in an org was worth little, what you needed was priority to get a new hire.
At one point we were “parking” Australians in Dublin, having them work there for a year or two until they could get a visa for the US.
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#29Time to crack down on these cheats.
Good thing the new driving force of the new way to do software engineering wasn't built on stealing all of the work of everyone
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, we know. I wish guys like you could just be honest and admit its really just about trying to save on labor costs rather than trying to frame this issue like there's some massive lack of skilled domestic engineering talent here.
It is talent though. You can't write a performant Linux runtime agent such as what Wiz did without knowing eBPF, which requires also understanding Linux internals, which requires an OS background. Why should I spend $150k training someone who has no experience from scratch for 1 year? A lot of table stakes curricula has been made optional.
Yes, why would you. As in, the question doesn’t make sense. A new grad will command a much lower salary than 150k today. Bet many would take 50k for a chance to train in this market.