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Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by bayindirh »

rkomorn wrote: post #280
bayindirh wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used a single letter stencil to learn the alphabet, actually, and nobody strapped me to a chair to watch or listen something 16h a day. Living inside a normal home with my parents was enough for the audio part.

The 16 hours of audio/video per day was a reference to being alive and hearing/seeing things for years before you actually could learn the alphabet. It was not meant as literally sitting at a screen with audio/video for 16 hours a day.

I know, but the density of the data is much less in human case.

IOW, humans still learn more effectively with less information, because there are innate mechanisms which process this data continuously and extract new meanings from the same data. This is part of both intelligence and consciousness.

LLMs lack both.

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Post by adrian_b »

okanat wrote: post #172
capitol_ wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Trump makes us very motivated to stop relying on American tech.

This doesn't solve the issue that globalism caused. Europe doesn't make DRAM nor has the know-how to quickly bring factories online which usually take 10+ years. We are tied to American economy and if AI companies start driving prices up not only DRAM but basically everything will become more expensive.

Europe has stopped making DRAM relatively recently (Qimonda).

This should have not been allowed to happen.

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Post by interleave »

fullstop wrote: post #180
jsheard wrote: post #114

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> It seems we will run out of hardware by March? What happens when an unstoppable force (building everything in Electron because hardware is cheap) meets an immovable object (oh no hardware is expensive now)?

I guess we have to get creative again.

I actually think you're right here.

Resource constraints have often helped me come up with stuff that I'm actually proud of.

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

bootsmann wrote: post #244
petcat wrote: post #233

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??? Micron has DRAM megafabs in both Idaho and New York state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micron_Technology

Are those plants still functional after CHIPS act was axed? I thought they mainly produce in Asia now.

> after CHIPS act was axed

This is news to a lot of Americans! The 2022 CHIPS and Science Act is codified federal law. I think a lot of states (Arizona, Idaho, New York) would be very interested to learn that the funding for the infrastructure that they are already building has somehow gone poof.

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Post by troyvit »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #263
octoclaw wrote: post #235

Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…

> That's not normal market dynamics. It is, in fact, normal market dynamics.

Maybe not normal market dynamics, but typical human behavior: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Kosuga#Cornering_the_o...

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Post by bparsons »

Aurornis wrote: post #289
octoclaw wrote: post #235

Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…

> It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. DRAM is priced based on supply and demand, like every other market. When demand goes up, the price goes up for everyone. It’s not a “tax” on the rest of us in any sense. There’s just a lot of demand everywhere. > That's not normal market dynamics. This is actually a textbook example of markets functioning in…

Most markets don't have three purchasers trying to corner the entire supply of one product.

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Post by usrusr »

Betelbuddy wrote: post #108

It seems we will run out of hardware by March? "Hard drives already sold out for this year" - https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/20/ai_blamed_again_as_ha... Time for an AI tax on the hyperscalers.

Reads a bit like the Paperclip Maximizer appearing way ahead of schedule? Implemented not as AI, but as emergent behavior in the ways of the financial class (that happens to be about AI, singularity and all that).

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Post by piva00 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #200
piva00 wrote: post #157

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That's where capitalism-with-Chinese-characteristics comes into play, since the CCP knows it's a capacity they want to get some independence from the government creates incentives to develop it until it becomes self-sustainable. They have a strategic goal which the government will support while at the same time letting competition do its thing, it's a step above from what other governments used to do with government-…

Why would the CPC (the correct acronym) subsidize cheap GPUs to America? You won’t see huawei GPUs here until their yields are decent enough to make it profitable.

CCP is the common one even though not the official, either use is fine and understandable (as you've understood it clearly).

What do you mean? I'm talking about the CCP funding projects to increase yield for their fabs, not buying GPUs from NVidia...

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Post by Aurornis »

bparsons wrote: post #296
Aurornis wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. DRAM is priced based on supply and demand, like every other market. When demand goes up, the price goes up for everyone. It’s not a “tax” on the rest of us in any sense. There’s just a lot of demand everywhere. > That's not normal market dynamics. This is actually a textbook example of markets functioning in…

Most markets don't have three purchasers trying to corner the entire supply of one product.

Economic history is full of examples of demand shocks. This is not some unique situation that has never occurred before.

This is actually a clean commodity price spike because it’s specifically not for market manipulation or financial engineering. It’s because demand for this product really did explode overnight.

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