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Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

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Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

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And thousands more will die due to the fully predictable and justified retaliation that follows. This doesn't meaningfully weaken the cartels, but forces them to respond in order to not compromise future safety. Prioritizing showy executions over actual progress, words that should describe the cartels, not the government.

> justified retaliation

I don’t see how it would be justified. Do you think the cartels are in the right here?

Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

#22

And thousands more will die due to the fully predictable and justified retaliation that follows. This doesn't meaningfully weaken the cartels, but forces them to respond in order to not compromise future safety. Prioritizing showy executions over actual progress, words that should describe the cartels, not the government.

> justified retaliation I don’t see how it would be justified. Do you think the cartels are in the right here?

He probably sees them as marginalised POC bravely feeding their families under the thumb of American imperialism.

Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

#23
As long as Mexico shares a border with the US the biggest consumer of such recreational drugs and poverty in Mexico there will always be drug cartels.

It is basically whack-a-mole killing or imprisoning cartel heads - there will be splinter factions and you will just get three just as nasty ones in it's place.

Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

#24

And thousands more will die due to the fully predictable and justified retaliation that follows. This doesn't meaningfully weaken the cartels, but forces them to respond in order to not compromise future safety. Prioritizing showy executions over actual progress, words that should describe the cartels, not the government.

> justified retaliation I don’t see how it would be justified. Do you think the cartels are in the right here?

> Do you think the cartels are in the right here?

Of course not, none of the sides are at all in the right here. But from the cartels perspective, they're almost certainly in the right.

Drug cartels are entirely the result of poor policies, and the blame for all the harms caused by them rests primarily on the shoulders of those perpetuating those policies. Surely the politicians that vote for laws that directly enable drug cartels to exist in the first place must be worse than the leaders of any individual drug cartel?

Any kind of serious analysis of who's more right would end up being a work at the scale of Rising Up and Rising Down, that's probably best avoided.

If we oversimplify cartels into innocent businessmen just looking to sell drugs, with governments being the ones that introduced violence into the equation in their effort to stop them? Surely it must be the cartels

If we oversimplify cartels into evil criminals just looking to wield power over other human beings, with governments just trying to liberate people from cartel tyranny? Surely it must be the governments

Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> justified retaliation I don’t see how it would be justified. Do you think the cartels are in the right here?

He probably sees them as marginalised POC bravely feeding their families under the thumb of American imperialism.

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Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He probably sees them as marginalised POC bravely feeding their families under the thumb of American imperialism.

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* Says Mexicans can't be POCs *

* Calls me a neo-nazi *

fantastic

Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

#28

Puerto Vallarta is on fire - seeing tons of videos on my timeline.

How does this usually work - they just set some cars on fire to prove a point and demonstrate they are "doing something" and then just switch to the next boss that comes out of the secession fight ? Or is it more complicated or nuanced ?

Re: Mexican Forces Kill Nation's Most-Wanted Cartel Boss

#29

As long as Mexico shares a border with the US the biggest consumer of such recreational drugs and poverty in Mexico there will always be drug cartels. It is basically whack-a-mole killing or imprisoning cartel heads - there will be splinter factions and you will just get three just as nasty ones in it's place.

Agreed, it’s a demand-side problem. The profit potential is so great that someone will smuggle drugs into the US, no matter the risk.
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