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Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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the entire purpose of the website is lost to me. I had to figure it out by reading the comments.

How so? The second section, "Introduction to Org-Mode and Worg" explains it as well as one could possibly ask for. Are you really that completely thrown off by it being the second section rather than the first (admittedly a bad decision)?

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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I hope org-mode gets more popular outside of Emacs. I know all the words already about how org-mode is great because of Emacs, but the way you can do plaintext outlining, with great support for TODO's, in org-mode is fantastic. It retains a lot of readability, and that isn't Emacs specific: there are things that make org-mode great as-is! A small todo application for mobile that uses org-mode as the database doesn't…

I sort of bounce off of org over and over because I find it very unreadable. Compared to Markdown (I know Markdown isn't quite the same thing), org feels very crusty and noisy.

While org mode can do almost anything, it is foremost an outliner, not a markup language like markdown. Using org-mode in place of Markdown is like using MS Word for coding, so no wonder

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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I hope org-mode gets more popular outside of Emacs. I know all the words already about how org-mode is great because of Emacs, but the way you can do plaintext outlining, with great support for TODO's, in org-mode is fantastic. It retains a lot of readability, and that isn't Emacs specific: there are things that make org-mode great as-is! A small todo application for mobile that uses org-mode as the database doesn't…

That won't change until top-notch, simple (i.e., without 100 transient dependencies) org parsing and formatting libraries for a few key languages (go, javascript / typescript, and python; maybe also C++ and java) become available.

Which is sad because org-mode seems far more versatile than markdown, except for a couple of ergonomic features (e.g., ``` vs #+BEGIN_SRC, and * [x] task vs * DONE task).

Even libraries to parse and format a subset of org-mode would be good enablers.

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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post #33

I hope org-mode gets more popular outside of Emacs. I know all the words already about how org-mode is great because of Emacs, but the way you can do plaintext outlining, with great support for TODO's, in org-mode is fantastic. It retains a lot of readability, and that isn't Emacs specific: there are things that make org-mode great as-is! A small todo application for mobile that uses org-mode as the database doesn't…

That won't change until top-notch, simple (i.e., without 100 transient dependencies) org parsing and formatting libraries for a few key languages (go, javascript / typescript, and python; maybe also C++ and java) become available. Which is sad because org-mode seems far more versatile than markdown, except for a couple of ergonomic features (e.g., ``` vs #+BEGIN_SRC, and * [x] task vs * DONE task). Even libraries to…

The list of parsers is here: https://orgmode.org/worg/org-tools/index.html

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

#35

I hope org-mode gets more popular outside of Emacs. I know all the words already about how org-mode is great because of Emacs, but the way you can do plaintext outlining, with great support for TODO's, in org-mode is fantastic. It retains a lot of readability, and that isn't Emacs specific: there are things that make org-mode great as-is! A small todo application for mobile that uses org-mode as the database doesn't…

I sort of bounce off of org over and over because I find it very unreadable. Compared to Markdown (I know Markdown isn't quite the same thing), org feels very crusty and noisy.

I actually pandoced my Markdown files to Org mode a few years ago because Org mode is easier to read in plain text editors. I especially like the use of dashes for lists. However, even in Emacs Org mode, I still use `backtick` fences in inline code.

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sort of bounce off of org over and over because I find it very unreadable. Compared to Markdown (I know Markdown isn't quite the same thing), org feels very crusty and noisy.

This totally depends on how you set up your org face attributes. I keep using Org because, for me, it's far more readable than Markdown. Also, it's always a tree. The three operations, like folding, traversal,. etc, are essential for me, and not available in Markdown. Fortunately, GitHub understands README.org files.

Emacs folds and unfolds Markdown just like Org since about 29.0 at least I think.

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are incomplete parsers that cover most of the Org basics. For example, GitHub has one, crafted in Ruby. They use it to render e.g. readme.org files in repositories. It works quite well. I find the Org format very pleasant to work with. I think the trick with Emacs and Org is to stick to the basics and then only add features or change your configuration very slowly, as needed. I have been using Emacs non-stop fo…

> I have been using Emacs non-stop for >20 years and my .emacs is just 20 LOC. It's been shrinking, not growing. Me too. I mean I'm using Emacs too, and it is 20+ years. I hate it deeply, and I cannot stop hating it because I cannot get away from it. I regret deeply choosing emacs 20+ years ago and spending 20 years to wrap my habits around it. BTW my .emacs is still growing. I don't know how you manage to have 20 Lo…

Thou shalt indent to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt indent, and the number of the indentation shall be three. Four shalt thou not indent, neither indent thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then compose thou thy Holy Lua.

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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So many good words, but they all miss the crucial point: you can't write a parser for org-mode. So elisp interpreted is needed to run the lisp code that defines it. It means that org-mode can be good while you are using it from emacs, and it sucks for anything else. I use markdown now, because you have a lot of tools to deal with markdown, while all tools for org-mode are bound to emacs. Which is perfectly fits the e…

There are incomplete parsers that cover most of the Org basics. For example, GitHub has one, crafted in Ruby. They use it to render e.g. readme.org files in repositories. It works quite well. I find the Org format very pleasant to work with. I think the trick with Emacs and Org is to stick to the basics and then only add features or change your configuration very slowly, as needed. I have been using Emacs non-stop fo…

Care to share those 20 lines? Because I feel like every time I pick up a new language I need to add 5-10 lines to add some basic hooks and configs

Re: Hello Worg, the Org-Mode Community

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post #33

I hope org-mode gets more popular outside of Emacs. I know all the words already about how org-mode is great because of Emacs, but the way you can do plaintext outlining, with great support for TODO's, in org-mode is fantastic. It retains a lot of readability, and that isn't Emacs specific: there are things that make org-mode great as-is! A small todo application for mobile that uses org-mode as the database doesn't…

That won't change until top-notch, simple (i.e., without 100 transient dependencies) org parsing and formatting libraries for a few key languages (go, javascript / typescript, and python; maybe also C++ and java) become available. Which is sad because org-mode seems far more versatile than markdown, except for a couple of ergonomic features (e.g., ``` vs #+BEGIN_SRC, and * [x] task vs * DONE task). Even libraries to…

I think it gets away with being more verbose because those two aren't spelled "#+BEGIN_SRC" and "DONE", they're "C-c , q" and "C-c t d" (from memory). I think unless you really commit to learning a decent subset of what org-mode provides the ergonomics are always going to seem a little clumsy. I've always found emacs shortcuts hard to learn, and because of that I've never quite got my use of org-mode over the activation hump to really stick for the long term. Every time I leave it and come back to it I have to relearn a lot of it from scratch because there doesn't seem to be any sort of intuitive framework I can hang it all off.
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