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$30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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Article didn't explain why tech doesn't work in education. It's biological. We evolved to learn from and interact with other humans, preferably the same group over a long time, so we really get to understand/mirror/like/support each other. Anyone who has tried Duolingo gets this. Drop me in China with Chinese friends and I'll learn 100x faster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-_VDYit3U

So you are saying we should double down at this for the next dozen generations until our human DNA become tuned for computers/GenAI?

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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If we're spouting off unsubstantiated claims. I'll add teachers unions and the mandatory spend of tax money on their near monopolies versus a voucher system that allows parents to choose the best education the money can buy. (To be clear I do think we should fund educating our children, I disagree with forcing the purchase to go to a specific solution / system)

Teachers’ unions are pretty inconsequential in much of the United States. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/states-with... Also, https://teacherquality.nctq.org/contract-database/collective...

I don’t know how you came to that conclusion when the most populous coastal states were almost saturated at 100% and very few states came in under 40% in your map.

Teachers unions are highly influential.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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post #16

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> the real culprit could simply be boiled down to a failure in classroom management and lack of enforcement against cell phones in class I was a middle school and high school math and science teacher from 1994 through 2019. I watched the advent of internet in schools, then desktop computers in classrooms, and finally smartphones in students' hands. I've lived a life of watching teachers and schools get blamed for not…

And on top of that, in many countries (not just the US) teachers, school and the students themselves don't have anywhere near the financial resources that they need. Schools are (literally) falling apart, here in Germany it became apparent during Covid that a ton of schools had windows that rotted so far they couldn't be opened, in the US there are states that introduced 4 day school weeks due to budget constraints […

I went to school in a poor country, and live in the US. The education budget was very low when / where I grew up, and it is pretty hefty where my kids go to school. I occasionally visit their school and volunteer to help. That has given me a good frame for comparison.

The quality of education my kids are getting is pure trash compared to what I receieved.

The problem is not the budget. It is the lack of real teachers, as well as a perpetually experimental curriculum. The "modern" methods that I have seen their teachers practice (which confuse the teachers, too, by the way; the teachers all have said that), are very visibly wrong. So wrong that even I can see all sorts of flaws, despite not having any background in education science. The curriculum is predictably set for failure.

I strongly believe technology, and AI in particular, can be a major enabler in improving education. However, for early education (first 5-6 grades), I think absolute lack of technology (except maybe a big e-ink class whiteboard, or some such) would be far more beneficial. Kids can learn to type very quickly when needed (ideally 6th / 7th grade). They can't learn thinking-while-writing, as quickly. They have to slowly build up that mental muscle. Let them have a few years of building structure and core understanding, then get exposed to tools for doing things faster.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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Pretty simple solution: all tech out of schools, back to paper. There is value in being able to automate things, but there is far more value in being able to first to learn how to do stuff yourself.

I do think there are subjects where tech is integral and needed, but yes we should go back to pen and paper as much as possible.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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Also we do not know if those kids are better at skills that are more relevant today -- coding, social media marketing, deciding between health insurance and bread.

I thought we were in the middle of a tech literacy downturn. I might be wrong, and I don't want to necessarily google "is X happening" because that looks like it yields articles that affirm it, and I don't know what a trustworthy source would be. Either way, I don't live in a place where laptops were pushed to teens, but I do know uni teachers who told me some horrifying tales about freshmen, like ones who could not…

> I thought we were in the middle of a tech literacy downturn.

I've heard that anecdotally from college professors and I've seen it in my zoomer friends.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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With the possibility of unintentionally sounding racist.. “ Gen Z is the first generation in modern history to score lower on standardized tests than the previous one” The percentage of immigrants or non-native English speakers is also increasing in the US (and in the EU). Since these groups historically also scored lower, one would expect the general scores at least partially lowered due to this. Also add in Covid w…

Every study like this needs to adjust for common compounding factors; demographics, income, teaching methods, covid...

Otherwise it's junk data, we have have no idea if lower performance is due to more migrants, more computers, less sugar in cereal or whatever.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the real culprit could simply be boiled down to a failure in classroom management and lack of enforcement against cell phones in class I was a middle school and high school math and science teacher from 1994 through 2019. I watched the advent of internet in schools, then desktop computers in classrooms, and finally smartphones in students' hands. I've lived a life of watching teachers and schools get blamed for not…

And on top of that, in many countries (not just the US) teachers, school and the students themselves don't have anywhere near the financial resources that they need. Schools are (literally) falling apart, here in Germany it became apparent during Covid that a ton of schools had windows that rotted so far they couldn't be opened, in the US there are states that introduced 4 day school weeks due to budget constraints […

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Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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This article tries to put the blame on laptops when the real culprit could simply be boiled down to a failure in classroom management and lack of enforcement against cell phones in class, whiny parents who rage when their children are told they can't be playing video games in class, and teachers who are using computer programs to teach the kids instead of actually teaching. Ban phones from class. For real. Lock down…

Classroom ‚management‘ and teens can not be observed at the same time and space.

The problem is that these terns have not had meaningful interactions with technology at home where there roughly a 1:1 relationship parent:kid. Now try to get meaningfulness into kids where the ratio is 1:20+ in a classroom.

Re: $30B for laptops yielded a generation less cognitively capable than parents

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post #73
post #15

I’m not convinced laptops were as big an issue as intentionally sabotaging the US educational system with things like No Child Left Behind and Common Core. Are Gen-Z folks overseas as screwed as Americans, and is there a correlation between academic performance and classroom laptops?

What specifically is wrong with Common Core math? I've seen a lot of vague complaints about it but the materials my children brought home seem fine. It's different from the way I learned but I haven't seen any compelling evidence that it's worse.

Doing multiplication without laboriously writing one number over the other with an x next to the bottom one considered deeply suspicious...
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