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Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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You couldn't Google this? I mean, even ChatGPT is capable of doing that.

> TFA most commonly refers to Trifluoroacetic acid, a highly persistent, mobile "forever chemical" (PFAS) found globally in water and soil, widely used in organic chemistry as a solvent.

You must be one of those “AI can’t possibly make anyone more productive” folks.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Edit: I have misread some of the comments here, he didn't lose access to his whole account and data just the antigravity part. I should've done my due diligence, get out of bed and spent more time thinking instead of emotionally reacting. Guess the rage machine got me as well. Damn. I think this thread might be hijacked by ai bros.

The main point still stands, google is part of a duopoly that runs the world. You can't be a functional member of society without them. They're like a public utility and plays too big of a role in people's life to take decisions based on unknown internal policies. They're long overdue for a government intervention or for splitting up.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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It seems that this comment was written with some AI tool. Curious to know — are you an OpenClaw instance? Your profile seems to be an ad for some tool you or your owner/administrator created: > Building EvoLink ( https://evolink.ai ) - a unified AI API gateway for 40+ models. We help developers save 20-70% on AI API costs with smart routing and automatic failover. Previously worked on AI infrastructure and growth. Yo…

It is funny that my first reaction to your post was that you are crazy, but then I looked at his comment history and you are completely right. Boy this is not a good development. I don’t want to spend my time reading AI generated comments.

It’s so weird, right?

Clearly this comment relevant to the tool the profile is selling as a kind of ‘submarine’ ad… profile was created 53 days ago (so no green tag) but only started commenting in earnest 12 hours ago (almost as if the account was farmed).

And the comment is full of AI tropes that seem highly generated.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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When I searched for "its in the tfa meaning" this was my third result on Duck Duck Go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19781756 When I searched for "tfa internet meaning", The fifth result looked helpful so I clicked it, and it was: https://www.noslang.com/search/tfa Searching the internet wasn’t hard before AI, and it isn’t hard today.

I just googled "what is tfa", and none of the results on the first page were related to the current topic.

But surely your search engine must have given you the answer within your first three clicks, if not, perhaps you should consider a better search engine.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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When I searched for "its in the tfa meaning" this was my third result on Duck Duck Go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19781756 When I searched for "tfa internet meaning", The fifth result looked helpful so I clicked it, and it was: https://www.noslang.com/search/tfa Searching the internet wasn’t hard before AI, and it isn’t hard today.

I just googled "what is tfa", and none of the results on the first page were related to the current topic.

Try “TFA acronym Internet forums”.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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It seems that this comment was written with some AI tool. Curious to know — are you an OpenClaw instance? Your profile seems to be an ad for some tool you or your owner/administrator created: > Building EvoLink ( https://evolink.ai ) - a unified AI API gateway for 40+ models. We help developers save 20-70% on AI API costs with smart routing and automatic failover. Previously worked on AI infrastructure and growth. Yo…

/me squints at the ironic em dash in "Curious to know — are you an OpenClaw instance?"

But in good faith: they (HN staff) said in another comment I can't find just now that they're discussing what to do about it, but I can't think of any palatable easy answers.

In fact, the only easy answer I can think of is banning all accounts newer than 2022, but then how do you onboard new users? Captcha for every new comment? Do we have good AI-defeating captchas now?

Strange times.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Businesses do not have an entitlement to profit. Suspending customers for using a fairly expensive subscription plan -- especially forfeiting an annual prepayment for a day or two of coloring outside the lines -- sure does make Google appear entitled to profit without ever risking its own pricing model.

> Suspending customers for using a fairly expensive subscription plan -- especially forfeiting an annual prepayment for a day or two of coloring outside the lines they're being suspended for using a private api outside of the app for which the api was intended. If you make a clone of the hbo app, so that you can watch hbo shows without ads by logging in with your discounted ads-included membership, your account will…

The facts are straightforward, even without analogies. But since we're using them...

You are at the grocery store, checking out. The total comes to $250. You pay, but then remember you had a coupon. You present it to the cashier, who calls the manager over. The manager informed you that you've attempted to use an expired coupon, which is a violation of Paragraph 53 subsection d of their Terms of Service. They keep your groceries and your $250, and they ban you from the store.

Google is acting here like it was entitled to a profitable transaction, and is even entitled to punish anyone who tries to make it a losing transaction. But they're not the police. No crime was committed.

Regular businesses win some and lose some. A store buys widgets for $10 and hopes to sell them for $20, but sometimes they miscalculate and have to unload them for $5. Overall they hope their winners exceed their losers. That's business.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Isn't the reason companies are doing this because they're offering tokens at a discount, provided they're spent through their tooling? Considering the tremendous amount of tokens OpenClaw can burn for something that has nothing to do with sofware development, I think it's reasonable for Google to not allow using tokens reserved for Antigravity. I don't think there's such a restriction if you pay for the API out of po…

> Isn't the reason companies are doing this because they're offering tokens at a discount, provided they're spent through their tooling? Then maybe they should charge for that instead of banning accounts? Google decided on their own business plan without any guns to their backs. If they decide to create a plan that is subsidized that's entirely on them.

Google wants usage that earns them street cred, not usage from bots who will never evaluate the output. They're all fighting tooth and nail to acquire customers, both free and paid... they didn't want their giveaways to be burned.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Google deciding to willy nilly unilaterally ban my 20+ year old primary Google account is probably my greatest internet fear, given how famously awful their support is. Seems like it's the singular best example of a tech company so big that through some combination of internal silos and TOS bureaucracy you have no shot of getting your account back, no matter how unreasonable the ban actually is. A while back I made c…

> A while back I made completely separate Google accounts for YouTube and Maps just so my longstanding Gmail account wouldn't get banned if the system somehow detected that my Youtube account for example breached Google's TOS. I bet you that if they ban one they ban the other too the only safe way is to get your important data out of Google entirely after manifest v3's announcement, I de-googled: gmail, chrome, searc…

Who did you move to from Gmail? How’d you make out?

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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> TFA most commonly refers to Trifluoroacetic acid, a highly persistent, mobile "forever chemical" (PFAS) found globally in water and soil, widely used in organic chemistry as a solvent.

You must be one of those “AI can’t possibly make anyone more productive” folks.

Don’t know about your parent, but I am certainly on of those “AI can’t make anyone more productive”.

Well, at least I would say that while being a bit hyperbolic. But folks like us who prefer to see claims by corporations trying to sell you stuff backed by behavioral research before we start taking the corporation’s word for it.

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