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Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by reliabilityguy »

padjo wrote: post #415
reliabilityguy wrote: post #398

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Both can be true in war: (1) war (2) ceasefire that doesn’t hold For example, there was a ceasefire between Thailand and Cambodia, and then it was violated.

Comparing this to Thailand/Cambodia is absurd. Anyway there's no point arguing with people like you. The evidence is clear. The political rhetoric from Israel is clear. People who actually study genocide are very clear. Israel will "cleanse" Gaza of the "animals" and the West bank and idiots in America will lap up the propaganda and argue about whether its actually a genocide or not.

> Comparing this to Thailand/Cambodia is absurd.

Why? There are plenty of other wars where previous ceasefires were violated. Hamas themselves refuse to put down their arms, which is also a violation of ceasefire.

> The evidence is clear.

The evidence is not clear.

> The political rhetoric from Israel is clear.

Rhetoric of some people in the government doesn’t mean much. Like any democratic country, you can have elected people who have extreme views.

> People who actually study genocide are very clear.

What are you talking about? The organization of international scholar of genocide where anyone can pay a small fee and be a scholar in the organization? Yeah, this is evidence!!!

> Israel will "cleanse" Gaza of the "animals" and the West bank and idiots in America will lap up the propaganda and argue about whether its actually a genocide or not.

So, it didn’t happen yet, but you already know it will happen?

Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by wetpaws »

philwelch wrote: post #137
regularization wrote: post #31

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> separatist movements The Kurds had their own state at the end of World War II - the US and UK forced them to dissolve and integrate with Iran. Actually the US just abandoned the Kurds in Syria two weeks ago as it signed deals with Syria's former al Qaeda leader. Kurds are people the West foments to armed rebellion, and then quashes, for decades, depending on western material needs at the minute.

Wikipedia describes it as a “a short-lived Kurdish self-governing unrecognized state in present-day Iran” and “a puppet state of the Soviet Union”. Doesn’t really count as a free and independent state.

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Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by smashah »

sekai wrote: post #189
smashah wrote: post #161

Hopefully the Iranian government doesn't take a page out of the US Epstein regime playbook and start trampling on students free speech for daring to speak against their mass Holocaust and baby bloodletting in Gaza and shooting protestors dead on the streets.

> dead on the streets. Iran regime already does that, they gunned-down thousands just last month, including 100's of public hangings.

This is incredibly unfortunate that the Iranian government is following the worldwide Epstein regime in the West

Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by smashah »

hn_230601 wrote: post #312
sekai wrote: post #189

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> dead on the streets. Iran regime already does that, they gunned-down thousands just last month, including 100's of public hangings.

smashah and others in this thread will deny that happened or downplay the numbers.

I've been hearing concerning reports that the Iranian Government in a matter of a few days "slaughtered 4 Quadrillion Cattle" according to Mossad Internal Reports. If Iran managed that in a few days imagine how many cattle children The Worldwide Epstein Regime ritually sacrificed to Satan in Gaza almost 3 years? Much to consider!

Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by dugmartin »

odiroot wrote: post #400
ViktorRay wrote: post #304

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”This interpretation reeks of Western naivete.” The essay you are responding to was written by a historian. The ideas actually described in the essay were not developed by a Western person. They were first implemented successfully by a non-Western person. Mahatma Gandhi. And Gandhi developed these ideas from reading the writings of another non-Western person. Leo Tolstoy. More information can be found here. https://e…

> Mahatma Gandhi. I daresay the Brits were not as willing to gun down peaceful protesters as today's regimes are.

You should look up the Jallianwala Bagh massacre.

(Full disclosure - I had to look up the name after remembering it portrayed in the movie Gandhi)

Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by smashah »

fortzi wrote: post #367
smashah wrote: post #161

Hopefully the Iranian government doesn't take a page out of the US Epstein regime playbook and start trampling on students free speech for daring to speak against their mass Holocaust and baby bloodletting in Gaza and shooting protestors dead on the streets.

Epstein regime? Sure enough, the rest of your comment maintains the same line of incoherent meme fueled rant.

It's a very funny meme when the The Worldwide Epstein Regime sends it's Satan's Chosen Einsatzgruppen to sacrifice tens of thousands of children in Gaza? Just because you consider those children as subhuman cattle? Please clarify your position on the Holocaust of Children in Gaza.

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Post by dataflow »

remarkEon wrote: post #417
dataflow wrote: post #342

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> it's probably just easier to ignore the inconsistencies here For people who actually actively think of both, that may be the case? But "ignoring" presumes the comparison feeling potentially valid to them in the first place. It's not ignorance or even an inconsistency if the comparison would feel so apples-to-oranges that it doesn't even occur to them. Maybe my view is distorted here, so here's a question to check t…

I think they’re overwhelmingly white, conservative, American, and usually are religious. We may be indirectly saying the same thing. The Palestinian cause is wrapped up in a number of other issues where the demographic overlap is not likely to include the same people I observe being upset about the lack of coverage of this protest movement in Iran. I don’t have a good explanation for that phenomenon, other than the p…

I'm not saying you're wrong (or right), but that you're simply jumping to a much more complicated explanation than what I'm seeing. My point was much more straightforward than that.

All I'm saying is: you addressed (b), but what about (a)?

That is, if you believe this comparison is merited, then surely Iranians would at least be making it themselves reasonably frequently? Now I don't know I'm living in a bubble, or if I'm just not keeping up with the news (I know for a fact there is a lot of news I'm missing, so I wouldn't put this past me by any means), but I simply don't see Iranians themselves going, e.g., "Why was there so much worldwide support for Palestinians but not for us?!"... is this something you do see?

If so, I'd love to hear more about it (links or even anecdotes would be great)... but if not, I'm suggesting that maybe the comparison just isn't apt, is all.

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Post by dang »

Rover222 wrote: post #419
dang wrote: post #413

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You've been breaking the site guidelines quite a lot in this thread by posting flamebait and crossing into personal attack. That's not ok, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Note this one, among others: " Comments should get more though…

"useful idiot" is not meant as a personal insult. It's a common idiom

It's obviously an insult, and when applied to a specific person, a personal one.

Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by tehjoker »

reliabilityguy wrote: post #418
tehjoker wrote: post #405

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They hate the government that is trying to destroy their entire society. Stop attacking a country half-way around the world, they will stop even thinking about us.

> They hate the government that is trying to destroy their entire society. Given Irans track record wrt women rights, and inability of Iranians to accept violence toward their women, IR doesn’t need the US or anyone else to destroy their society. > Stop attacking a country half-way around the world, they will stop even thinking about us. Why would they? IR is ruled by radical Muslims who believe in spreading the rule…

Any society will collapse if deprived of essential goods by an external force. Cultural practices that we disagree with can be remediated through peaceful means or at least settled by Iranians. It's not like women aren't capable of resistance or their own political voice. We can support change in Iranian society without calling for the destruction of their government by any means necessary. I presume you also wish to invade U.S. ally Saudi Arabia.

> Why would they? IR is ruled by radical Muslims who believe in spreading the rule of Islamic Revolution. Why should we not believe them?

I also presume you also spend all day thinking about how you wish to destroy random African countries you barely know the name of. You believe in spreading "democracy" like a French revolutionary from the early 1800s.

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