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Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by reliabilityguy »

tehjoker wrote: post #199

A reminder that American economic sanctions are a primary cause of the situation that causes protests against the Iranian government. Our government is attempting to destroy Iran, an independent nation that is not our enemy. When will American students stage a large scale anti-government protest against the regime? Oh right, the billionaires and zionist lobby cracked down on the encampments with the (violent) help of…

> independent nation that is not our enemy.

That is why when they chant "Death to America" they mean that they love us?

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Post by watwut »

vkou wrote: post #337
ViktorRay wrote: post #317

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Tolstoy was Russian. Russia is not a Western country. And Tolstoy was influenced by non-Western philosophical and religious figures.

> Russia is not a Western country. Russian culture, as it is practiced in the country's power centers, both historically and today is absolutely Western. It may not be liberal western culture, but guess what, there's no shortage of Western countries that have been, or are, quite illiberal. For a simple example, MAGA is western culture. United Russia isn't at all different from it, it just has a different coat of pain…

The only thing that can make Russia "western" is if you equate white and western.

MAGA is western, because it is American. Russia is not western, because it is neither europe nor america. And they themselves consider themselves east. And did for over a hundred years.

Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by reliabilityguy »

pessimizer wrote: post #248
hunterpayne wrote: post #170

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Iran is the major cause of political instability in the the ME. They are the primary funders for the 3 most active terrorist groups in the ME if not the world. Every single westerner pays more for things because of the instability Iran funds.

They are the only supporters of majority Shiite populations who live under western-supported Sunni and Wahabi dictators. They are a Shiite theocracy surrounded by hostile Western-supported Sunni theocracies. > Every single westerner pays more for things because of the instability Iran funds. This is simply a lie. Every single Westerner pays vastly more for things because they spend trillions propping up illegitimate…

> They are the only supporters of majority Shiite populations who live under western-supported Sunni and Wahabi dictators.

This is categorically false. Iraq is a shiite country.

Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by martin-t »

Fuzzwah wrote: post #348
martin-t wrote: post #335

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> learn from failure to coup-proof themselves faster than the population can keep up Institutional memory is longer than individual memory. What drove this point home for me was an article about how the police on London can predict whether a protest will turn violent and that they know how to corral people depending on which outcome they want. But for now, institutions still at least rely on individuals to retain the…

Do you recall the article? Was it this https://netpol.org/2025/03/01/this-is-repression-annual-stat... ?

Unfortunately I don't. Your link doesn't load for me but I think I read it earlier than 2025 and possibly even 2024.

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Post by ebbi »

reliabilityguy wrote: post #346
ebbi wrote: post #336

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Your comment seems to suggest you support the idea of Iran regime going down? Yet in the same breath, you criticize Iran for saying that 'US and Israel should cease to exist'. Given Israel currently has nuclear weapons, Israel is currently committing genocide (helped and funded by the US), the atrocities that Israel have committed over the last 70 years (setting aside the fact that it is an apartheid state, and is an…

> Israel is currently committing genocide Israel does not commit genocide by any objective metric. > the fact that it is an apartheid state And it is not an apartheid state as can be evidenced by the fact that Arabs and other cnthincal minorities, e.g., Druze or Cherkessians, reach highest positions in politics, academic, and private enterprises. You can simply google things like "notable israeli arab judges" and get…

yeah, not going to entertain genocide denialism in 2026. You can at the least state it's plausible, and I'd take you seriously. The rest of your drivel is a deliberate misreading of my post.

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Post by watwut »

martin-t wrote: post #202
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #177

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> interpretation reeks of Western naivete The author is "an ancient and military historian who currently teaches as a Teaching Assistant Professor at North Carolina State University" [1]. > Students were not merely arrested — they were gunned down en masse in the streets and even in hospitals Non-violent doesn't mean peaceful. People died in our Civil Rights protests. People died in the Indian independence and the Ph…

This article is on my to-read list and I am a great fan of Mr. Devereaux's work. But I also feel like promoting non-violence outside the context of western democracies is misleading and potentially dangerous. Maybe he addresses it somewhere in the article but I have yet to read it so forgive me if he does. But how does he explain the failure of peaceful revolutions in Belarus or China? My understanding of social dyna…

> But how does he explain the failure of peaceful revolutions in Belarus or China?

Does that need special explanation? Violent revolutions fail too ... revolution does not guarantee a success.

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Post by reliabilityguy »

cardanome wrote: post #298
halflife wrote: post #238

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Don’t worry, Gaza also has an oppressive regime.

Yes, the oppressive regime is called Israel.

Yeah, the one that forced Hamas to do that: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21742496

What is funny to me is that as long as some group is anti-west, they can commit any atrocity, and get a blank check for it. Like, they had to do it, there was not other choice. Completely stripped of any agency not to commit atrocities.

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Post by breppp »

mikkupikku wrote: post #174
hunterpayne wrote: post #139

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Those African regimes don't spend billions a year to promote and fund terrorism in other countries. Remember kids, you can kill millions of your own people (Stalin, Mao, etc) and nobody will care. Heck, some will even celebrate you. But don't mess with people in another country, otherwise outsiders will get involved. Iran is the main source of violence and terrorism in the most violent part of the world. Maybe, just…

Iran has committed or contributed to virtually zero terrorism in America. The American people have no legitimate beef with Iran, America is just acting as Israel's rabid attack dog.

there is quite a beef going on between America and Iran if you haven't noticed, such as taking an entire embassy as hostages or killing a whole lot of US troops in Iraq and Lebanon among other things

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Post by dataflow »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #177
injidup wrote: post #167

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> the only viable solution becomes giving the movement its demands. This interpretation reeks of Western naivete. Students were not merely arrested — they were gunned down en masse in the streets and even in hospitals. They were provoked by the U.S. president, who promised support to take on the institutions, but that support never materialized. The likely endgame of this current gunboat diplomacy is similar to Venez…

> interpretation reeks of Western naivete The author is "an ancient and military historian who currently teaches as a Teaching Assistant Professor at North Carolina State University" [1]. > Students were not merely arrested — they were gunned down en masse in the streets and even in hospitals Non-violent doesn't mean peaceful. People died in our Civil Rights protests. People died in the Indian independence and the Ph…

>> They were provoked by the U.S. president, who promised support to take on the institutions, but that support never materialized

> Lots of Americans think the world revolves around us. The truth is we have less influence than we think. We didn't provoke these protests, though we did give them false hope.

Sorry, but you're just wrong in this case. The US president absolutely had a huge impact here. Meaning it wasn't just "hope": if he hadn't said and done what he did, the protests and deaths absolutely would not have occurred at the same scale. I'll post an article for reference, but you will find more on this if you look.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/18/why-protesters...

Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by reliabilityguy »

ebbi wrote: post #355
reliabilityguy wrote: post #346

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> Israel is currently committing genocide Israel does not commit genocide by any objective metric. > the fact that it is an apartheid state And it is not an apartheid state as can be evidenced by the fact that Arabs and other cnthincal minorities, e.g., Druze or Cherkessians, reach highest positions in politics, academic, and private enterprises. You can simply google things like "notable israeli arab judges" and get…

yeah, not going to entertain genocide denialism in 2026. You can at the least state it's plausible, and I'd take you seriously. The rest of your drivel is a deliberate misreading of my post.

> yeah, not going to entertain genocide denialism in 2026.

Of course you are not going to do it. Because it would require you to get factual, and provide some evidence to corroborate your points, which would be hard.

> You can at the least state it's plausible, and I'd take you seriously.

Are you saying it is possible that the war in Gaza is not genocide?

> The rest of your drivel is a deliberate misreading of my post.

Sure. Better to dismiss the person, than engage in factual discussion.

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