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Post by Erem »

don_esteban wrote: post #26
regularization wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> non-violence Armed Baloch and Kurdish groups have been boasting of firing on Iranian police. The police are firing back. Hard to call them non-violent when they openly boast about armed attacks. Who knows where they are getting their weapons, with western countries also openly declaring their intent to destabilize Iran.

Just think about would have happened if protesters in USA shot and killed 150 policemen. Protesters which foreign states (China or Russia) openly boasted they are supporting, and provided them with weapons and communication technology.

Not quite at the level, but Jan 6 is similar. 174 officers were hospitalized, protesters were coordinating over Telegram, and Russian state owned media employees actively ran influence ops to support maga, though especially after the event (not quite “openly boasted”)

The result: nothing of consequence happened because the faction they supported eventually won and was/is legitimately popular

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Post by mupuff1234 »

pydry wrote: post #107
Wytwwww wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So there are no circumstances where armed rebellion is justifiable and the only legitimate type of resistance to state violence is literally trying to drown the state forces in bodies of non-violent protestors? At a certain point there ceases to be a middle path between violent resistance and complete surrender. > Protesters which foreign states (China or Russia) This type of relativism is dishonest. Of course US is…

>So there are no circumstances where armed rebellion is justifiable What circumstances has Iran created that demand armed rebellion?

Economic collapse, failed infrastructure, lack of human rights, ruthless religious dictatorship? All while spending 25% of their budget on military ventures.

Just to name a few.

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Post by dataflow »

Rover222 wrote: post #85
Archio wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We (the US) just bombed Iran last summer. We are moving the largest buildup in decades of armament and materiel to Iran's doorstep RIGHT NOW, and it seems extremely likely we are about to bomb them again. What exactly do you want to happen here? In your view, am I taking the side of the Ayatollahs because bombing isn't enough and we should be nuking Tehran instead? It's telling that perceived tacit support of an Iran…

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> all my friends who posted non-stop about supporting Palestine

> I'm saying if you were a very vocal pro-Hamas activist

Palestine ≠ Hamas

Pro-Palestinian ≠ Pro-Hamas

If you genuinely don't believe a significant number of people support the former but not the latter, I... don't even know what to tell you. It certainly says a lot that you can neither distinguish these two nor believe anyone else sees a distinction.

> They don't consistently care about any particular type of human suffering. Just opposing Zionists

People are not numbers for your narrative.

Whether on a population chart or on a death chart.

Again: you're ignoring more than half a century of history and extremely relevant differences regarding how each got into their current situations, whom the involved parties were, what the current situations even are, and what their futures might look like... and more.

Just because the number of deaths appears to have reached a similar order of magnitude that does not mean anyone who fails to display the same reaction to the situations the two groups of people have been in is a hypocrite.

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Post by inglor_cz »

kelipso wrote: post #116
jjtwixman wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silly comment, in this case reporting facts about protests is indistinguishable from "manufacturing consent".

This article is made for a certain crowd, with a certain type of gullibility. Since the nypost has a different audience, we get to see a bit of comedy like this “Iranian forces hack out wombs of female protesters to hide horrific sexual abuse: report” (1). Babies in ovens (2) will be next right? 1. https://nypost.com/2026/02/20/world-news/imprisoned-iranian-... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

When we speak about gullibility, under what conditions would you accept the idea of atrocities committed by a non-Western regime as real?

You seem to have a massive prior for "everything is a Western/Zionist conspiracy full of puppets". Which is its own sort of gullibility, readily exploited by propagandists from the other side.

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Post by philwelch »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7

“To simplify greatly, the strategy of non-violence aims first to cause disruption (non-violently) in order both to draw attention but also in order to bait state overreaction. The state’s overreaction then becomes the ‘spectacular attack’ which broadcasts the movement’s message, while the group’s willingness to endure that overreaction without violence not only avoids alienating supporters, it heightens the contrast…

This works against relatively liberal governments. It didn’t work for the Tiananmen Square protestors in 1989 or for the intermittent Iranian protestors of the past couple decades because those regimes were willing to suppress those protests with overwhelming force. Fortunately, the Iranian protestors are likely to have some overwhelming force on their side soon.

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Post by wetpaws »

regularization wrote: post #14
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7

“To simplify greatly, the strategy of non-violence aims first to cause disruption (non-violently) in order both to draw attention but also in order to bait state overreaction. The state’s overreaction then becomes the ‘spectacular attack’ which broadcasts the movement’s message, while the group’s willingness to endure that overreaction without violence not only avoids alienating supporters, it heightens the contrast…

> non-violence Armed Baloch and Kurdish groups have been boasting of firing on Iranian police. The police are firing back. Hard to call them non-violent when they openly boast about armed attacks. Who knows where they are getting their weapons, with western countries also openly declaring their intent to destabilize Iran.

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Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by pydry »

Rover222 wrote: post #85
Archio wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We (the US) just bombed Iran last summer. We are moving the largest buildup in decades of armament and materiel to Iran's doorstep RIGHT NOW, and it seems extremely likely we are about to bomb them again. What exactly do you want to happen here? In your view, am I taking the side of the Ayatollahs because bombing isn't enough and we should be nuking Tehran instead? It's telling that perceived tacit support of an Iran…

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>I'm saying if you were a very vocal pro-Hamas activist

"Pro hamas activist" has become the calling card of deeply committed western and israeli islamophobes.

Much like their close cousins, the holocaust denying anti semite, they almost universally refuse to recognize the UN recognized genocide in gaza.

>That crowd only seems to care if they can actively oppose Israel or the current administration

Im sure if the current administration backed a genocide in another country they would passionately oppose that too. Unlike dedicated islamophobes, anti racists are consistent.

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Post by treis »

zozbot234 wrote: post #72
skybrian wrote: post #19

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Good article. It seems like a consequence is that publicity outside Iran is only going to be effective to the extent that it mobilizes people inside Iran? (With the possible exception of getting Trump's attention, but I don't think air strikes are going to do it?) And the government of Iran seems very willing to kill people. I don't see this ending well.

According to betting exchanges air strikes on Iran are quite unlikely in the very near term, but become more likely than not by this summer or the end of the year. So this doesn't seem to be a matter of near-term attention, more of a prediction that the Iranian government will not manage to shift their stance in a more favorable direction.

There's been a massive movement of air assets towards Iran over the last week or so. That doesn't necessarily mean a strike will happen but it's clearly a threat.

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Post by CommanderData »

Betelbuddy wrote: post #30

I cant imagine the courage that is needed to take part in these protests. Most here, the most revolutionary act they will ever participate on in their life, is criticizing their boss choice of Azure as cloud provider...

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