And my secret is epistemology. AMA.
mine is axiology, DNAMA. ;)
well my MA said my DNA is secret.
Palantir's secret weapon isn't AI – it's Ontology. An open-source deep dive
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#22Re: Palantir's secret weapon isn't AI – it's Ontology. An open-source deep dive
#23palantir doesn't do revolutionary things in terms of back-ends. matter of fact, their apps are at best mid. I'd rate them 3/10 compared to alternatives that can do similar things. Their front end is the real differentiator. Their bread-and-butter is a few things 1) Willing to do dirty/harmful things no one else will touch 2) Making data and data analysis accessible to cops, dhs, anyone that is especially tech-averse…
It doesnt matter who does search well, if you understand the implications of the theory of bounded rationality and what claude shannons information theory tells us about bandwith limitations of individual and group cognition.
Re: Palantir's secret weapon isn't AI – it's Ontology. An open-source deep dive
#24This feels like pets.com made by Accenture consultants.
Palantir's secret weapon is the closeness and affinity to the DoD.
The tech stack ontological model is flexible like Salesforce so that it can be jammed into any task or contract quicky. It isn't engineered, it's glued in.
They're able to do this fast because they have a flexible model and because they have the friendly relationships.
Their moat deepens every year with every new integration.
It's smart as hell, actually. That's why they're swimming in money. And government contracts are about as lucrative as you can get.
Engineers turn their nose at this, but look who has tapped into this wealthy revenue stream. While we preen about good architecture, they can retire for a thousand thousand lifetimes.
Re: Palantir's secret weapon isn't AI – it's Ontology. An open-source deep dive
#25palantir doesn't do revolutionary things in terms of back-ends. matter of fact, their apps are at best mid. I'd rate them 3/10 compared to alternatives that can do similar things. Their front end is the real differentiator. Their bread-and-butter is a few things 1) Willing to do dirty/harmful things no one else will touch 2) Making data and data analysis accessible to cops, dhs, anyone that is especially tech-averse…
> Ultimately, the bigger problem is that even in crowds like HN's, no one seems to have a good idea of what should be done about governments abusing datascience so efficiently.
The general-populace/crowd/mob has already lost this game. Govts/Companies (all of them irrespective of ethics/democracy/etc.) are doing what they want with data and datascience. The populace is easily propagandized/distracted from reality and can be easily cocooned.
The only recourse left for the individual is to learn and start playing the game himself. Fortunately the new tools are a great help in this asymmetric warfare. Organizations like EFF/OpenSource/GNU/etc. need to take the lead on this since most people are like sheep when it comes to uses/misuses of technology.
Palantir is just "Cambridge Analytica" redux but with more money/connections/data/breadth/depth/etc. Watch this old presentation by their then ceo Alexander Nix and extrapolate to today's AI world - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Dd5aVXLCc
Finally go and read the works of George Orwell, Edward Bernays, Jacques Ellul, Marshall Mcluhan, Noam Chomsky etc. on the whole subject of Propaganda/Manipulation to really understand where we are now.
Re: Palantir's secret weapon isn't AI – it's Ontology. An open-source deep dive
#26This feels like pets.com made by Accenture consultants.
Palantir's secret weapon is the closeness and affinity to the DoD. The tech stack ontological model is flexible like Salesforce so that it can be jammed into any task or contract quicky. It isn't engineered, it's glued in. They're able to do this fast because they have a flexible model and because they have the friendly relationships. Their moat deepens every year with every new integration. It's smart as hell, actua…
Palantir does not have infinity money, and 'ontology' is a buzzword.
They're a gov. contracting agency, with some re-usable components, that's it.
If they deliver stuff that works, good, if not, bad.
There's nothing interesting about 'ontology'
Re: Palantir's secret weapon isn't AI – it's Ontology. An open-source deep dive
#27I really wanted this "book" to be good.
In the context of the paper, the entire book seems to go downhill from the definition of ontology for me.
There is no benefit of using Gruber's ivory tower definition. A simpler explanation (e.g., it describes a structured framework that defines and categorizes the entities within a specific domain and the relationships among those entities) would have sufficed, and easier to digest.
Palantir is doing nothing revolutionary or "paradigm shift" when it comes to data and information organization. Their secret weapon is not introducing ontology to information.
Ching (1000BC?) classified reality into binary ontological primitives, created trigrams and hexagrams a combinatorial ontology. Aristotle introduced categories, substance, properties, relations, etc. Thomas Aquinas systemized Aristotelian categories into theological knowledge systems, and used structured classifications.
I am becoming curmudgeony as I see more and more of these reverse-research papers. Write the paper, then find references that fit the statement and use weasel words ...
unbelievable scene unfolds, deep-rooted disease of silos, paradigm shift, fatal flaws, forged in these extreme environments, eliminated to the absolute limit...
Gag me.
Re: Palantir's secret weapon isn't AI – it's Ontology. An open-source deep dive
#28It’s just a consulting firm with connections to the Trump administration through Thiel. That’s why they need forward engineers. It’s not a real platform. Ontology is as far as I can tell, a marketing buzzword, mostly repeated by bots to pump Palantir.
Re: Palantir's secret weapon isn't AI – it's Ontology. An open-source deep dive
#29Palantir is just "Cambridge Analytica" redux but with more money/connections/data/breadth/depth/etc. Their ethical/moral stance i will leave it to you to infer.
Watch these old presentations by CA's then ceo Alexander Nix and extrapolate to today's AI world - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Dd5aVXLCc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bG5ps5KdDo (note the Q/A at the end here)
Also watch this interview with Christopher Wylie the CA whistleblower and again extrapolate to today's AI world - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXdYSQ6nu-M
Be afraid, Be very afraid.
Re: Palantir's secret weapon isn't AI – it's Ontology. An open-source deep dive
#30It's just view, materialized view, udf, stored procedure in fancy corp speak.
Do you have any resources or books to learn all the details of all these? Also, what is UDF?
Data warehouse toolkit for Kimball
Google will inmon for the info factory
Google data vault
Joe reis is the guy for tying it up with a modern bow recently.
Designing data intensive applications book