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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

#471

Can't we rename "Claws" -> "Personal assistants"? OpenClaw is a stupid name. Even "OpenSlave" would be a better fit.

How about "Open Assistants"? "OpenAss" for short?

I like that, this name tells you all about the security implications. Like, your user data could be penetrated.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

#472

Can't we rename "Claws" -> "Personal assistants"? OpenClaw is a stupid name. Even "OpenSlave" would be a better fit.

How about "Open Assistants"? "OpenAss" for short?

Sudden flashbacks to when I was trying to figure out why there was so much traffic to a blog post (15+ years ago).

I guess the internet was looking for something different to my “kick-[ass open]-source software”.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

#474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a VM or a separate host with access to specific credentials in a very limited purpose. In any case, the data that will be provided to the agent must be considered compromised and/or having been leaked. My 2 cents.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but, being contained and only having access to specific credentials is all nice and well but there is still an agent that orchestrates between the containers that has access to everything with one level of indirection.

I "grew up" in the nascent security community decades ago.

The very idea of what people are doing with OpenClaw is "insane mad scientist territory with no regard for their own safety", to me.

And the bot products/outcome is not even deterministic!

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

#475
Instead of posts about claws I would like to see more examples of what people are actually doing with claws. Why are you giving it access to your bank account?

Even if I had a perfectly working assistant right now, I don’t even know what I would ask it to do. Read me the latest hackernews headlines and comments?

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

#476

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I think for me it is an agent that runs on some schedule, checks some sort of inbox (or not) and does things based on that. Optionally it has all of your credentials for email, PayPal, whatever so that it can do things on your behalf. Basically cron-for-agents. Before we had to go prompt an agent to do something right now but this allows them to be async, with more of a YOLO-outlook on permissions to use your creds,…

I think this is absolute madness. I disabled most of Windows' scheduled tasks because I don't want automation messing up my system, and now I'm supposed to let LLM agents go wild on my data? That's just insane. Insanity. Edit: I mean, it's hard to believe that people who consider themselves as being tech savvy (as I assume most HN users do, I mean it's "Hacker" news) are fine with that sort of thing. What is a person…

> That's just insane. Insanity.

I feel the same way! Just watching on in horror lol

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

#477
post #196

Does one really need to _buy_ a completely new desktop hardware (ie. mac mini) to _run_ a simple request/response program? Excluding the fact that you can run LLMs via ollama or similar directly on the device, but that will not have a very good token/s speed as far as I can guess...

You don’t, but for those who would like the agent to interact with Apple provided services like reminders and iMessage it works for that.

Oh this makes sense.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

#478
post #461

Are people buying mac minis to run the models locally?

For a machine that must run 24/7 or at least most of the day, the next best alternative to a separate computer is a cheap Linux VPS. Most people don't want to fiddle with such setup, so they go for Mac Minis. Even the lower spec ones are good enough, and they consume little power when idle.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

#480
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Why mac mini instead of something like a raspberry pi? Aren't thede claw things delegating inference to OpenAI, Antropic etc.?

A Mac allows it to send iMessage and access the Apple ecosystem.

Can a Raspberry Pi run several browser tabs?
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