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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by btouellette »

simonw wrote: post #310
hmokiguess wrote: post #307

Are these things actually useful or do we have an epidemic of loneliness and a deep need for vanity AI happening? I say this because I can’t bring myself to finding a use case for it other than a toy that gets boring fast. One example in some repos around scheduling capabilities mentions “open these things and summarize them for me” this feels like spam and noise not value. A while back we had a trending tweet about…

I don't have a Claw running right now and I wish I did. I want to start archiving the livestream from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGL7A2YgUY - YouTube only provide access to the last 12 hours. If I had a Claw on a 24/7 machine somewhere I could message it and say "permanent archive this stream" and it would figure it out and do it.

Not a great use case for Claw really. I'm sure ChatGPT can one shot a Python script to do this with yt-dlp and give you instructions on how to set it up as a service

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Post by wordpad »

pvtmert wrote: post #129
mittermayr wrote: post #43

I wonder how long it'll take (if it hasn't already) until the messaging around this inevitably moves on to "Do not self-host this, are you crazy? This requires console commands, don't be silly! Our team of industry-veteran security professionals works on your digital safety 24/7, you would never be able to keep up with the demands of today's cybersecurity attack spectrum. Any sane person would host their claw with us…

Great idea, happy to ~steal~ be inspired by . I propose a few other common elements: 1. Another AI agent (actually bunch of folks in a 3rd-world country) to gatekeep/check select input/outputs for data leaks. 2. Using advanced network isolation techniques (read: bunch of iptables rules and security groups) to limit possible data exfiltration. This would actually be nice, as the agent for whatsapp would run in a separ…

Any would easily be bypassed by a motivated model able to modify itself to accomplish its objective.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by selridge »

qoez wrote: post #236

I'm predicting some wave of articles why clawd is over and was overhyped all along in a few months and the position of not having delved into it in the first place will have been the superior use of your limited time alive

What a new an interesting viewpoint which has the ability to change as the evidence does!

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by verdverm »

simonw wrote: post #322
verdverm wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you know the method already, why is cron insufficient? Why use a meat bag to message over cron? Is that the setup phase for a new stream?

I'd have to setup a new VPS, which is fiddly to do from a phone. If I had a Claw that piece would be solved already. Cron is also the perfect example of the kind of system I've been using for 20+ years where is still prefer to have an LLM configure it for me! Quick, off the top of your head what's the cron syntax for "run this at 8am and 4pm every day pacific time"?

I took the "running 24/7” to imply less AI writes code once and more to imply AI is available all the time for ad hoc requests. I tried to adjust back to the median with my third question.

I find the idea of programming from my phone unappealing, do you ever put work down? Or do you have to be always on now, being a thought leader / influencer?

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Post by andai »

We got store-brand Claw before GTA VI.

For real though, it's not that hard to make your own! NanoClaw boasted 500 lines but the repo was 5000 so I was sad. So I took a stab at it.

Turns out it takes 50 lines of code.

All you need is a few lines of Telegram library code in your chosen language, and `claude -p prooompt`.

With 2 lines more you can support Codex or your favorite infinite tokens thingy :)

https://github.com/a-n-d-a-i/ULTRON/blob/main/src/index.ts

That's it! There are no other source files. (Of course, we outsource the agent, but I'm told you can get an almost perfect result there too with 50 lines of bash... watch this space! (It's true, Claude Opus does better in several coding and computer use benchmarks when you remove the harness.))

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Post by qudat »

qoez wrote: post #236

I'm predicting some wave of articles why clawd is over and was overhyped all along in a few months and the position of not having delved into it in the first place will have been the superior use of your limited time alive

Openclaw the actual tool will be gone in 6 months, but the idea will continue to be iterated on. It does make a lot of sense to remotely control an ai assistant that is connected to your calendar, contacts, email, whatever.

Having said that this thing is on the hype train and its usefulness will eventually be placed in the “nice tool once configured” camp

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by bluesnowmonkey »

bjackman wrote: post #25

Does anyone know a Claw-like that: - doesnt do its own sandboxing (I'll set that up myself) - just has a web UI instead of wanting to use some weird proprietary messaging app as its interface?

Depending on what you mean by claw-like, stumpy.ai is close. But it’s more security focused. Starts with “what can we let it do safely” instead of giving something shell access and then trying to lock it down after the fact.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by qudat »

btouellette wrote: post #331
simonw wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a Claw running right now and I wish I did. I want to start archiving the livestream from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGL7A2YgUY - YouTube only provide access to the last 12 hours. If I had a Claw on a 24/7 machine somewhere I could message it and say "permanent archive this stream" and it would figure it out and do it.

Not a great use case for Claw really. I'm sure ChatGPT can one shot a Python script to do this with yt-dlp and give you instructions on how to set it up as a service

I mean that’s sort of where I think this all will land. Use something like happy cli to connect to CC in a workspace directory where it can generate scripts, markdown files, and systemd unit files. I don’t see why you’d need more than that.

That cuts 500k LoC from the stack and leverages a frontier tool like CC

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by simonw »

btouellette wrote: post #331
simonw wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a Claw running right now and I wish I did. I want to start archiving the livestream from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGL7A2YgUY - YouTube only provide access to the last 12 hours. If I had a Claw on a 24/7 machine somewhere I could message it and say "permanent archive this stream" and it would figure it out and do it.

Not a great use case for Claw really. I'm sure ChatGPT can one shot a Python script to do this with yt-dlp and give you instructions on how to set it up as a service

You've gotta run it somewhere though - that's the harder part.
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