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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by zozbot234 »

GTP wrote: post #289

I'm genuinely wondering if this sort of AI revolution (or bubble, depending on which side you're in) is worth it. Yes, there are some cool use cases. But, you have to balance those with increased GPU, RAM and storage prices, and OSS projects struggling to keep up with people opening pull requests or vulnerability disclosures that turn out to be AI slop. Which lead GitHub to introduce the possibility to disable pull r…

The increased hardware prices are temporary and will only spur further expansion and innovation throughout the industry, so they're actually very good news. And the compute used for a single LLM request is quite negligible even for the largest models and the highest-effort tasks, never mind routine requests; just look at how little AI inference costs when it's sold by third parties (not proprietary model makers) at scale. We don't need complete automation of every complex task, AI can still be very helpful even if doesn't quite make that bar.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by simonw »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #26

So what is a "claw" exactly? An ai that you let loose on your email etc? And we run it in a container and use a local llm for "safety" but it has access to all our data and the web?

It's a new, dangerous and wildly popular shape of what I've in the past called a "personal digital assistant" - usually while writing about how hard it is to secure them from prompt injection attacks.

The term is in the process of being defined right now, but I think the key characteristics may be:

- Used by an individual. People have their own Claw (or Claws).

- Has access to a terminal that lets it write code and run tools.

- Can be prompted via various chat app integrations.

- Ability to run things on a schedule (it can edit its own frontal equivalent)

- Probably has access to the user's private data from various sources - calendars, email, files etc. very lethal trifecta.

Claws often run directly on consumer hardware, but that's not a requirement - you can host them on a VPS or pay someone to host them for you too (a brand new market.)

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Post by mrtksn »

claytonaalves wrote: post #219

I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

I would have said Doomers never win but in this case it was probably just PR strategy to give the impression that AI can do more than it can actually do. The doomers were the makers of AI, that’s enough to tell what a BS is the doomerism :)

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Post by falcor84 »

wolvesechoes wrote: post #287
arbuge wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans are inherently curious creatures. The excitement of discovery is a strong driving force that overrides many others, and it can be found across the IQ spectrum. Perhaps not in equal measure across that spectrum, but omnipresent nonetheless.

> Humans are inherently curious creatures. You misspelled greedy .

While the two are closely related, I see a clear distinction between the two drives on their projection onto the explore-exploit axis

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by zozbot234 »

nsonha wrote: post #290

I find it dubious that a technical person claims to "just bought a new Mac mini to properly tinker with claws over the weekend". Like can they not just play with it on an old laptop lying around? A virtual machine? Or why did they not buy a Pi instead? Openclaw works with linux so not sure how this whole Mac mini cliche even started, obviously an overkill for something that only relays api calls.

Using a Mac Mini allows for better integration with existing Apple services. For many users, that just makes sense.

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Post by xrd »

sph wrote: post #263
claytonaalves wrote: post #219

I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

This is exactly why artificial super-intelligences are scary. Not necessarily because of its potential actions, but because humans are stupid, and would readily sell their souls and release it into the wild just for an ounce of greed or popularity. And people who don't see it as an existential problem either don't know how deep human stupidity can run, or are exactly those that would greedily seek a quick profit befo…

I love this.

Another way of saying it: the problem we should be focused on is not how smart the AI is getting. The problem we should be focused on is how dumb people are getting (or have been for all of eternity) and how they will facilitate and block their own chance of survival.

That seems uniquely human but I'm not a ethnobiologist.

A corollary to that is that the only real chance for survival is that a plurality of humans need to have a baseline of understanding of these threats, or else the dumb majority will enable the entire eradication of humans.

Seems like a variation of Darwin's law, but I always thought that was for single examples. This is applied to the entirety of humanity.

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Post by yks »

bravura wrote: post #102
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #26

So what is a "claw" exactly? An ai that you let loose on your email etc? And we run it in a container and use a local llm for "safety" but it has access to all our data and the web?

There are a few qualitative product experiences that make claw agents unique. One is that it relentlessly strives thoroughly to complete tasks without asking you to micromanage it. The second is that it has personality. The third is that it's artfully constructed so that it feels like it has infinite context. The above may sound purely circumstantial and frivolous. But together it's the first agent that many people w…

> it's the first agent that many people who usually avoid AI simply LOVE.

Not arguing with your other points, but I can't imagine "people who usually avoid AI" going through the motions to host OpenClaw.

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Post by nightski »

deepsquirrelnet wrote: post #277
claytonaalves wrote: post #219

I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

The DoDs recent beef with Anthropic over their right to restrict how Claude can be used is revealing. > Though Anthropic has maintained that it does not and will not allow its AI systems to be directly used in lethal autonomous weapons or for domestic surveillance Autonomous AI weapons is one of the things the DoD appears to be pursuing. So bring back the Skynet people, because that’s where we apparently are. 1. http…

If you ever doubted it you were fooling yourself. It is inevitable.

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Post by lmf4lol »

idontwantthis wrote: post #270
lmf4lol wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can see it that way, but I think its a cynics mindset. I experience it personally as super fun approach to experiment with the power of Agentic AI. It gives you and your LLM so much power and you can let your creativity flow and be amazed of whats possible. For me, openClaw is so much fun, because (!) it is so freaking crazy. Precisely the spirit that I missed in the last decade of software engineering. Dont use…

What have you done with it?

a lot of really fun stuff. From fun little scripts to more complex business/life/hibby admin stuff that annoyed me a lot (eg organizing my research). for instance i can just drop it a YT link in Telegram, and it then will automatically download the transcripts, scan them, and match them to my research notes. If it detects overlap it will suggest a link in the knowledge base.

Works super nice for me because i am a chaotic brain and never had the discipline to order all my findings. openClaw does it perfectly for me so far..

i dont let it manage my money though ;-)

edit: it sounds crazy but the key is to talk to it about everything!! openClaw is written in such a way that its mega malleable. and the more it knows , the better the fit. it can also edit itself in quite a fundamental way. like a LISP machine kind of :-)

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Post by robofanatic »

bronco21016 wrote: post #239
alansaber wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much the clawbase domain name would sell for, hmm

clawbase.ai already is "don't be silly, we've got this for you". Not a promotion, just tried a couple of the domains to see if any were available.

most .ai domains are taken. How I regret not buying watermelon.ai for $85, next day I see it was gone :-(
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