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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by bjackman »

bspammer wrote: post #194
tokenless wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Openclaw! You can sandbox anything yourself. Use a VM. It has a web ui.

I don’t really understand the point of sandboxing if you’re going to give it access to all your accounts (which it needs to do anything useful). It reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1200/

Yeah I have been planning to give it its own accounts on my self hosted services.

I think the big challenge here is that I'd like my agent to be able to read my emails, but... Most of my accounts have Auth fallbacks via email :/

So really what I want is some sort of galaxy brained proxy where it can ask me for access to certain subsets of my inbox. No idea how to set that up though.

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Post by raincole »

squidbeak wrote: post #266
wiseowise wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “we” Bunch of Twitter lunatics and schizos are not “we”.

People excited by a new tech's possibilities aren't lunatics and psychos.

They mean the

> "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape"

group. Not the other one.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by derwiki »

gcr wrote: post #237
qoez wrote: post #236

I'm predicting some wave of articles why clawd is over and was overhyped all along in a few months and the position of not having delved into it in the first place will have been the superior use of your limited time alive

do you remember “moltbook”?

Is it gone?

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Post by simonw »

aitchnyu wrote: post #81
mittermayr wrote: post #43

I wonder how long it'll take (if it hasn't already) until the messaging around this inevitably moves on to "Do not self-host this, are you crazy? This requires console commands, don't be silly! Our team of industry-veteran security professionals works on your digital safety 24/7, you would never be able to keep up with the demands of today's cybersecurity attack spectrum. Any sane person would host their claw with us…

There are lots of results for "host openclaw", some from VPS SEO spam, some from dedicated CaaS, some from PaaS. Many of them may be profitable.

That Super Bowl ad for AI.com where the site crashed if you went and looked at it... was for a vapor ware OpenClaw hosting service: https://twitter.com/kris/status/2020663711015514399

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Post by simonw »

the_real_cher wrote: post #60

What is the benefit of a Mac mini for something like this?

I had a conversation with someone last night who pointed out that people are treating their Claws a bit like digital pets, and getting a Mac Mini for them makes sense because Mac Minis are cute and it's like getting them an aquarium to live in.

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

mattlondon wrote: post #31
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #26

So what is a "claw" exactly? An ai that you let loose on your email etc? And we run it in a container and use a local llm for "safety" but it has access to all our data and the web?

I think for me it is an agent that runs on some schedule, checks some sort of inbox (or not) and does things based on that. Optionally it has all of your credentials for email, PayPal, whatever so that it can do things on your behalf. Basically cron-for-agents. Before we had to go prompt an agent to do something right now but this allows them to be async, with more of a YOLO-outlook on permissions to use your creds,…

I think this is absolute madness. I disabled most of Windows' scheduled tasks because I don't want automation messing up my system, and now I'm supposed to let LLM agents go wild on my data?

That's just insane. Insanity.

Edit: I mean, it's hard to believe that people who consider themselves as being tech savvy (as I assume most HN users do, I mean it's "Hacker" news) are fine with that sort of thing. What is a personal computer? A machine that someone else administers and that you just log in to look at what they did? What's happening to computer nerds?

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Post by deepsquirrelnet »

claytonaalves wrote: post #219

I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

The DoDs recent beef with Anthropic over their right to restrict how Claude can be used is revealing.

> Though Anthropic has maintained that it does not and will not allow its AI systems to be directly used in lethal autonomous weapons or for domestic surveillance

Autonomous AI weapons is one of the things the DoD appears to be pursuing. So bring back the Skynet people, because that’s where we apparently are.

1. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/anthropic-ai-defense-w...

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Post by trehalose »

squidbeak wrote: post #266
wiseowise wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “we” Bunch of Twitter lunatics and schizos are not “we”.

People excited by a new tech's possibilities aren't lunatics and psychos.

The ones who give it free reign to run any code it finds on the internet on their own personal computers with no security precautions are maybe getting a little too excited about it.

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Post by derwiki »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #195

giving my private data/keys to 400K lines of vibe coded monster that is being actively attacked at scale is not very appealing at all https://nitter.net/karpathy/status/2024987174077432126 If this were 2010, Google, Anthropic, XAI, OpenAI (GAXO?) would focus on packaging their chatbots as $1500 consumer appliances. It's 2026, so, instead, a state-of-the-art chatbot will require a subscription forever.

Give it a few years and distilled version of frontier models will be able to run locally

Maybe it’s time to start lining up CCPA delete requests to OAI, Anthropic, etc

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Post by simonw »

Dilettante_ wrote: post #113

I still haven't really been able to wrap my head around the usecase for these. Also fingers crossed the name doesn't stick. Something about it rubs my brain the wrong way.

It's pretty much Claude Code but you can have it trigger on a schedule and prompt it via your messaging platform of choice.
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