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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by yunohn »

dkersten wrote: post #212
logicprog wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't seem to be promoting every new monstrosity? "m definitely a bit sus'd to run OpenClaw specifically - giving my private data/keys to 400K lines of vibe coded monster that is being actively attacked at scale is not very appealing at all. Already seeing reports of exposed instances, RCE vulnerabilities, supply chain poisoning, malicious or compromised skills in the registry, it feels like a complete wild we…

And yet wasn’t he one of the first to run it and was one of the many people to have a bunch of his data leaked?

Indeed, via the related moltbook project that he was also hyping - https://x.com/theonejvo/status/2017732898632437932

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Post by sho_hn »

qoez wrote: post #236

I'm predicting some wave of articles why clawd is over and was overhyped all along in a few months and the position of not having delved into it in the first place will have been the superior use of your limited time alive

Of course if the proponents are right, this approach may fit to skipping coding :-)

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Post by sph »

claytonaalves wrote: post #219

I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

This is exactly why artificial super-intelligences are scary. Not necessarily because of its potential actions, but because humans are stupid, and would readily sell their souls and release it into the wild just for an ounce of greed or popularity.

And people who don't see it as an existential problem either don't know how deep human stupidity can run, or are exactly those that would greedily seek a quick profit before the earth is turned into a paperclip factory.

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Post by hu3 »

alansaber wrote: post #234
Der_Einzige wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At one point he did. Cognitive atrophy has led him to decline just like everyone else.

Where do we draw the line? Was einstein in his later years a pop physicist?

you can't really compare Karpathy with Einstein.

One of them is barely known outside some bubbles and will be forgotten in history, the other is immortal.

Imagine what Einstein could do with today's computing power.

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Post by squidbeak »

wiseowise wrote: post #250
claytonaalves wrote: post #219

I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

> “we” Bunch of Twitter lunatics and schizos are not “we”.

People excited by a new tech's possibilities aren't lunatics and psychos.

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Post by simonw »

dkersten wrote: post #212
logicprog wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't seem to be promoting every new monstrosity? "m definitely a bit sus'd to run OpenClaw specifically - giving my private data/keys to 400K lines of vibe coded monster that is being actively attacked at scale is not very appealing at all. Already seeing reports of exposed instances, RCE vulnerabilities, supply chain poisoning, malicious or compromised skills in the registry, it feels like a complete wild we…

And yet wasn’t he one of the first to run it and was one of the many people to have a bunch of his data leaked?

You're confusing OpenClaw and Moltbook there. Moltbook was the absurdist art project with bots chatting to each other, which leaked a bunch of Moltbook-specific API keys.

If someone got hold of that they could post on Moltbook as your bot account. I wouldn't call that "a bunch of his data leaked".

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Post by lmf4lol »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #225

OpenClaw is the 6-7 of the software world. Our dystopia is post-absurdist.

You can see it that way, but I think its a cynics mindset.

I experience it personally as super fun approach to experiment with the power of Agentic AI. It gives you and your LLM so much power and you can let your creativity flow and be amazed of whats possible. For me, openClaw is so much fun, because (!) it is so freaking crazy. Precisely the spirit that I missed in the last decade of software engineering.

Dont use on the Work Macbook, I'd suggest. But thats persona responsibility I would say and everyone can decide that for himself.

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Post by [deleted] »

UncleMeat wrote: post #150
7777777phil wrote: post #20

Karpathy has a good ear for naming things. "Claw" captures what the existing terminology missed, these aren't agents with more tools (maybe even the opposite), they're persistent processes with scheduling and inter-agent communication that happen to use LLMs for reasoning.

How does "claw" capture this? Other than being derived from a product with this name, the word "claw" doesn't seem to connect to persistence, scheduling, or inter-agent communication at all.

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Post by idontwantthis »

lmf4lol wrote: post #268
CuriouslyC wrote: post #225

OpenClaw is the 6-7 of the software world. Our dystopia is post-absurdist.

You can see it that way, but I think its a cynics mindset. I experience it personally as super fun approach to experiment with the power of Agentic AI. It gives you and your LLM so much power and you can let your creativity flow and be amazed of whats possible. For me, openClaw is so much fun, because (!) it is so freaking crazy. Precisely the spirit that I missed in the last decade of software engineering. Dont use…

What have you done with it?
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