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Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by philjackson »

eastbound wrote: post #34
ColinWright wrote: post #20

I used to have a LinkedIn account, a long time ago. To register I created an email address that was unique to LinkedIn, and pretty much unguessable ... certainly not amenable to a dictionary attack. I ended up deciding that I was getting no value from the account, and I heard unpleasant things about the company, so I deleted the account. Within hours I started to get spam to that unique email address. It would be int…

Remember when LinkedIn was condemned because they copied Gmail’s login page saying “Log in with Google”, then you entered your password, then they retrieved all your contacts, even the bank, the mailing lists, your ex, and spammed the hell out of them, saying things in your name in the style of “You haven’t joined in 5 days, I want you to subscribe” ?

I don't know how they're still in business after that. They also had a massive data breach at one point.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by kleiba »

csmpltn wrote: post #36

A good reminder of how things actually work, but the article could use some more balancing… > Let that sink in. You scanned your European passport for a European professional network, and your data went exclusively to North American companies. Not a single EU-based subprocessor in the chain. LinkedIn is an American product. The EU has had 20 years to create an equally successful and popular product, which it failed t…

One detail you might have overlooked: even if you're an American company - if you offer your services in Europe (through the web or otherwise), you're subject to European laws and regulations, including the GDPR.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by vdfs »

guenthert wrote: post #22
elAhmo wrote: post #21

From the article: > Let that sink in. You scanned your European passport for a European professional network, and your data went exclusively to North American companies. Not a single EU-based subprocessor in the chain. Not sure LinkedIn is a European professional network.

Yeah, he might have wanted to use Xing. Of course, he'd be pretty lonely there.

Viadeo is slightly more popular

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by stateofinquiry »

luxpir wrote: post #29

I really appreciate this write-up. Was forced to verify to get access to a new account. Like, an interstitial page that forced verification before even basic access. Brief context for that: was being granted a salesnav licence, but to my work address with no account attached to it. Plus I had an existing salesnav trial underway on main account and didn't want to give access to that work. So I reluctantly verified wit…

Thank you for sharing this.

I understand, and even agree, that how this is being handled has some pretty creepy aspects. But one thing missing from the comments I see here and elsewhere is: How else should verification be handled? We have a real problem with AI/bots online these days, trust will be at a premium. How can we try to assure it? I can think of one way: Everyone must pay to be a member (there will still be fraud, but it will cost!). How else can we verify with a better set of tradeoffs?

There is some info from Persona CEO on (of course) LinkedIn, in response to a post from security researcher Brian Krebs: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/bkrebs_if-you-are-thinking-ab... . I note he's not verified, but he does pay for the service.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

kleiba wrote: post #42
csmpltn wrote: post #36

A good reminder of how things actually work, but the article could use some more balancing… > Let that sink in. You scanned your European passport for a European professional network, and your data went exclusively to North American companies. Not a single EU-based subprocessor in the chain. LinkedIn is an American product. The EU has had 20 years to create an equally successful and popular product, which it failed t…

One detail you might have overlooked: even if you're an American company - if you offer your services in Europe (through the web or otherwise), you're subject to European laws and regulations, including the GDPR.

"Sue me" is what a purely cis-Atlantean company might say.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by birdsongs »

csmpltn wrote: post #36

A good reminder of how things actually work, but the article could use some more balancing… > Let that sink in. You scanned your European passport for a European professional network, and your data went exclusively to North American companies. Not a single EU-based subprocessor in the chain. LinkedIn is an American product. The EU has had 20 years to create an equally successful and popular product, which it failed t…

> In other words I don’t see why any of this is somehow uniquely wrong to the OP.

Did you read the article? It's a dark pattern. It is an act that takes 3 minutes to perform. Yet it takes multiple days of reading legal documents to understand what actually happens. I would argue this feels wrong, to most people who interact with technology.

We have a set of laws here that companies are obliged to follow, regardless of where they are incorporated, so we expect that. We are used to having some basic human rights here, perhaps unlike most Americans these days.

Data processes and ownership of biometric data should be made explicitly clear. It shouldn't take days of reading to understand. It feels wrong to me too.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

Kaijo wrote: post #33

I hate LinkedIn but need it for a few things, mostly accessing certain clients and projects as a freelancer. Last October my ISP (Vodafone UK) assigned me a datacenter-classified IPv6 address with 80+ abuse reports on reputation databases, for bots, DDoS, crawlers. Before I realized this I started getting locked out, suspended, restricted from just about every web service I use, having to solve captchas for simple Go…

> look forward to the day when no part of my income depends on horrible platforms that make me desperate for the opportunity to give away my personal data

We are moving into the opposite direction. Drink a verification can.

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by StrauXX »

eastbound wrote: post #34
ColinWright wrote: post #20

I used to have a LinkedIn account, a long time ago. To register I created an email address that was unique to LinkedIn, and pretty much unguessable ... certainly not amenable to a dictionary attack. I ended up deciding that I was getting no value from the account, and I heard unpleasant things about the company, so I deleted the account. Within hours I started to get spam to that unique email address. It would be int…

Remember when LinkedIn was condemned because they copied Gmail’s login page saying “Log in with Google”, then you entered your password, then they retrieved all your contacts, even the bank, the mailing lists, your ex, and spammed the hell out of them, saying things in your name in the style of “You haven’t joined in 5 days, I want you to subscribe” ?

Do you have a reference with more information on that?

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

dizhn wrote: post #37
SanjayMehta wrote: post #4

LinkedIn locked me out of my account, and wants me to verify via this same Persona company. I didn't read the terms but there's no way I'm giving Microsoft or its minions my govt id. What this user missed is the affidavit option: you can get a piece of paper attested by a local authority and upload that instead, if you really really need a LinkedIn verified account. Microsoft can go jump.

My friends were pestering me about having to have an X account to know what's going on and that it'll be fine if I don't engage with any conversation or even follow anyone. I created one, and started the usual "don't show me this" thing for the crap that comes up in the field by default. I think my account was active for 10 minutes when it got blocked due to "suspicious activity" and locked. All I have to do now to a…

> "what do you have to hide"

I usually say "great, can I install a camera in your bathroom? No? Do you have anything to hide? This is what it feels like to me."

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by tokioyoyo »

philjackson wrote: post #41
eastbound wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when LinkedIn was condemned because they copied Gmail’s login page saying “Log in with Google”, then you entered your password, then they retrieved all your contacts, even the bank, the mailing lists, your ex, and spammed the hell out of them, saying things in your name in the style of “You haven’t joined in 5 days, I want you to subscribe” ?

I don't know how they're still in business after that. They also had a massive data breach at one point.

Because super-majority doesn't really care if the product does what it's intended to in the end.
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